<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Here is some input from Tony in D7 that may help:<div><br></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px;">Hi Gordon,</span><br style="font-size: 14px;"><br style="font-size: 14px;"><span style="font-size: 14px;">Mike forwarded to me your questions about Classic.</span><br style="font-size: 14px;"><br style="font-size: 14px;"><span style="font-size: 14px;">In this region, we feel Classic is more about the old-style patterns then about technicalities regarding models. We have allowed pretty much anything, but would definitely frown on a 2-meter pattern model entering. But we have had 62" Osiris', Sequences, Elements, and the like enter. Models like the Venus or Venus II have flown. In the Pre-Novice and Novice it is much more about getting guys to do it. So we have allowed almost anything in those classes. In advanced there have been mostly "Classic" models. And in Masters all have been Classic.</span><br style="font-size: 14px;"><br style="font-size: 14px;"><span style="font-size: 14px;">As to the exact definition of a "Classic" model, we have stayed away from doing much there. Same with engine/power systems. Since companies like O.S. don't even make a .61 anymore, we haven't made that distinction. As I said, much more about the flying then the models.</span><br style="font-size: 14px;"><br style="font-size: 14px;"><span style="font-size: 14px;">I hope this helps! If you have any more questions feel free!</span><br style="font-size: 14px;"><br style="font-size: 14px;"><span style="font-size: 14px;">Tony Frackowiak</span></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Feb 19, 2014, at 5:37 PM, J N Hiller <<a href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">jnhiller@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="blue" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="Section1" style="page: Section1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><span class="EmailStyle18" style="color: navy;"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Yes!<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><span class="EmailStyle18" style="color: navy;"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><span class="EmailStyle18" style="color: navy;"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Eliminating the year eliminates the need for certification or differences of opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><span class="EmailStyle18" style="color: navy;"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><span class="EmailStyle18" style="color: navy;"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">I think there were several 120 designs such as the 2 plus 2 which were approximately a 2M airplane flying prior to TA. Maybe a NATS equipment list exists from about 1989. If I get bored tonight maybe I’ll look fore one.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><span class="EmailStyle18" style="color: navy;"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><span class="EmailStyle18" style="color: navy;"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">I don’t know that I’d encourage the Option-120 although it certainly could have existed in the 80’s, it didn’t. However the 60 size Option-3, a simple fixed gear design did and it flew well with a muffler or piped 60 / 61 or 91 four stroke.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><span class="EmailStyle18" style="color: navy;"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><span class="EmailStyle18" style="color: navy;"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Jim<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><span class="EmailStyle18" style="color: navy;"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">-----Original Message-----<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [<a href="mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Patrick Harris<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, February 19, 2014 5:08 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gary McClellan; Ray Gauthier; Arthur F. Kelly; Rudy; Rick Bergeron<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Classic Pattern</span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Jim,</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">That's pretty much in line with what Ray had to say, which is to limit it to "aircraft designed to fly pattern that were originally intended for glow engines. These same period aircraft can be currently powered by electric motors.</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Is this in line with your thinking?</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">This eliminates the "year" issue.</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Gary did bring up an issue with 120 sized planes like the Option 120. Although not truly classic, these type of planes were indeed used in pre turnaround were they not?</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Pat</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 4:59 PM, J N Hiller <<a href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">jnhiller@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 0.75pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 40.8pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; border: none; padding: 0in;"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"></span></font></p><div link="blue" vlink="blue"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial">Pat I gave that some thought last night.</font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 40.8pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; border: none; padding: 0in;"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Traditional classic / ballistic aircraft were GLOW POWER designs. There may be an electric power exception but very rare and specific.</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 40.8pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; border: none; padding: 0in;"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">We were to restrict it to these period glow power designs ore electric conversions.</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 40.8pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; border: none; padding: 0in;"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Just a thought!</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 40.8pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; border: none; padding: 0in;"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Jim</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 40.8pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; border: none; padding: 0in;"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 40.8pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; border: none; padding: 0in;"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 40.8pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; border: none; padding: 0in;"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 40.8pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; border: none; padding: 0in;"><font size="3" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Tahoma;">-----Original Message-----<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Patrick Harris<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, February 19, 2014 3:41 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gail & Robert Walker</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 40.8pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; border: none; padding: 0in;"><b><font size="3" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gary McClellan; AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY; Ray Gauthier; Arthur F. Kelly; Rudy; Rick Bergeron<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Classic Pattern</font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 0.75pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 76.8pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; border: none; padding: 0in;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 76.8pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; border: none; padding: 0in;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Bob,</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 76.8pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; border: none; padding: 0in;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 76.8pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; border: none; padding: 0in;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Under the laid out guide line, I would say Yes it would be OK, but the intent is to keep it to Old School. To me a 3D ARF of modern design does not fit the "Old School" criteria. This stuff isn't in stone so we can still adjust as we go. Any thoughts from everyone on how to write this is most appreciated. Like Jim, said we don't want to alienate anyone, but we do need some sort of guideline.</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 76.8pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; border: none; padding: 0in;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 76.8pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; border: none; padding: 0in;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Pat</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 76.8pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; border: none; padding: 0in;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt 76.8pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; border: none; padding: 0in;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 76.8pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; border: none; padding: 0in;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gail & Robert Walker <<a href="mailto:grbwii@comcast.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">grbwii@comcast.net</a>> wrote:</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div bgcolor="#ffffff"><div style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 0.75pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 40.8pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; border: none; padding: 0in;"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;">Pat,</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 81.6pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;"> Just checking, but would that mean that I could use my electric Katanna(SP)? You say it fly at Dusters the other day. I would have to tone the throws down a bit, but it seems to fit your specs?</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 81.6pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;"> Bob W</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 81.6pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 85.35pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">----- Original Message -----</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 85.35pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228);"><b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:harris7148@gmail.com" target="_blank" title="harris7148@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">Patrick Harris</a></span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 85.35pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">To:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:rc.gauthier@comcast.net" target="_blank" title="rc.gauthier@comcast.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">Ray Gauthier</a></span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 85.35pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" title="nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:bburden1959@gmail.com" target="_blank" title="bburden1959@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">Brad Burden</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:grbwii@comcast.net" target="_blank" title="grbwii@comcast.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">Bob Walker</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:whyRudy@comcast.net" target="_blank" title="whyRudy@comcast.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">Rudy</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ribergeron@comcast.net" target="_blank" title="ribergeron@comcast.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">Rick Bergeron</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:a_wellentin@yahoo.com" target="_blank" title="a_wellentin@yahoo.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">alan wellentin</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<a href="mailto:afkelly25@gmail.com" target="_blank" title="afkelly25@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">Arthur F. Kelly</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:BC3662@aol.com" target="_blank" title="BC3662@aol.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">Bill Carder</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gary@raystowing.com" target="_blank" title="gary@raystowing.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">Gary McClellan</a></span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 85.35pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, February 19, 2014 12:21 PM</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 85.35pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Classic Pattern</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 85.35pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 85.35pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Very cool</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 85.35pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt 85.35pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 85.35pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Raymond C. Gauthier <<a href="mailto:rc.gauthier@comcast.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">rc.gauthier@comcast.net</a>> wrote:</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div vlink="purple" link="blue"><div style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 0.75pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 40.8pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; border: none; padding: 0in;"><font size="3" color="#943634" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(148, 54, 52);">A pic of the Dalotel is attached. Pretty cool eh?</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="#943634" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(148, 54, 52);">__________________________________________</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="#943634" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(148, 54, 52);">I’m hoping I have something old hanging in the garage that would fill the bill. I know I have a scale French aerobatic airplane, a Dalotel, which is the right size and pretty much in flyable (wet power) condition. When I’m back in town I’ll have to dig it out and see how it flies the Novice pattern.</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="#943634" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(148, 54, 52);">Ray</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Patrick Harris [mailto:<a href="mailto:harris7148@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">harris7148@gmail.com</a>]</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><b>Sent:</b><font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, February 19, 2014 12:53 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Ray Gauthier</font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><b>Cc:</b><font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY; Brad Burden; Bob Walker; Rudy; Rick Bergeron; alan wellentin; Arthur F. Kelly; Bill Carder; Gary McClellan<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Classic Pattern</font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Ray,</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Yes. By saying 60 size that pretty much limits you to pre 80's planes. Are we going to turn away a guy that walks up with a little Osiris? The way it's written, no we wouldn't turn him away, but I think this is going to be a non issue or infrequent if at all. . We need to keep this real simple and have fun.</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Raymond C. Gauthier <<a href="mailto:rc.gauthier@comcast.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">rc.gauthier@comcast.net</a>> wrote:</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="2" color="#943634" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(148, 54, 52);">Does no year restrictions mean any airplane that fits the size and power guidelines?</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Patrick Harris [mailto:<a href="mailto:harris7148@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">harris7148@gmail.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, February 19, 2014 11:47 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY; Brad Burden; Bob Walker; Ray Gauthier; Rudy; Rick Bergeron; alan wellentin; Arthur F. Kelly; Bill Carder; Gary McClellan<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Classic Pattern</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Just a quick update. I have had a few question from a couple of CD's in regards to Classic pattern this year. The bottom line is we do this is to have fun and we don't want to load this up with a bunch of rules. </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Long story short, here are the only criteria. Keep in mind we will likely tweak this as we go:</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">No year restrictions</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">60 class planes or smaller</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">6 cell maximum for electrics</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">That's it. We will fly two schedules this year which are Novice and Advanced which can be found here;</span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><a href="http://www.classicpatternassociation.com/uploads/CPA_call_card.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">http://www.classicpatternassociation.com/uploads/CPA_call_card.pdf</a></span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">At some of our contest we will fly classic Saturday and Sunday in the mornings due to sun issues (Woodburn, Redmond). At fields like Molalla that we can fly turnaround by 8:00, we will fly classic on Saturday after turnaround and it's the discretion of the CD to fly classic on Sunday. My guess is for those fields we will fly classic on Saturday only to get guys on the road Sunday. </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font><font><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 90.15pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Also, Gordon has been at it again with a great new feature on the D8 site. No longer will you have to search in vane for upcoming events to preregister on the NSRCA calendar. All you will need to do is click on the 2014 schedule on the D8 site and you will find an info link and a link to the calendar for preregistration. By the way, it is a great help to the CD"s and Gordon to preregister to all contest you plan to attend. Again, my thanks to Gordon. 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