[NSRCA-dist8] Classic Pattern

Wed Feb 19 19:48:56 AKST 2014

Gordon,

That's great info.

Long story short, my original criteria pretty much holds to what they are
doing.

No year restrictions

60 class planes or smaller

6 cell maximum for electrics

Gary recommended adding Pipes and Retracts allowed.

Can I get an AMEN

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Gordon Anderson <gaa at owt.com> wrote:

> Here is some input from Tony in D7 that may help:
>
> Hi Gordon,
>
> Mike forwarded to me your questions about Classic.
>
> In this region, we feel Classic is more about the old-style patterns then
> about technicalities regarding models. We have allowed pretty much
> anything, but would definitely frown on a 2-meter pattern model entering.
> But we have had 62" Osiris', Sequences, Elements, and the like enter.
> Models like the Venus or Venus II have flown. In the Pre-Novice and Novice
> it is much more about getting guys to do it. So we have allowed almost
> anything in those classes. In advanced there have been mostly "Classic"
> models. And in Masters all have been Classic.
>
> As to the exact definition of a "Classic" model, we have stayed away from
> doing much there. Same with engine/power systems. Since companies like O.S.
> don't even make a .61 anymore, we haven't made that distinction. As I said,
> much more about the flying then the models.
>
> I hope this helps! If you have any more questions feel free!
>
> Tony Frackowiak
>
>
>
> On Feb 19, 2014, at 5:37 PM, J N Hiller <jnhiller at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Yes!
>
> Eliminating the year eliminates the need for certification or differences
> of opinion.
>
> I think there were several 120 designs such as the 2 plus 2 which were
> approximately a 2M airplane flying prior to TA. Maybe a NATS equipment list
> exists from about 1989. If I get bored tonight maybe I'll look fore one.
>
> I don't know that I'd encourage the Option-120 although it certainly could
> have existed in the 80's, it didn't. However the 60 size Option-3, a simple
> fixed gear design did and it flew well with a muffler or piped 60 / 61 or
> 91 four stroke.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [
> mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> ]*On Behalf Of *Patrick Harris
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 19, 2014 5:08 PM
> *To:* AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY
> *Cc:* Gary McClellan; Ray Gauthier; Arthur F. Kelly; Rudy; Rick Bergeron
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Classic Pattern
>
> Jim,
>
> That's pretty much in line with what Ray had to say, which is to limit it
> to "aircraft designed to fly pattern that were originally intended for glow
> engines. These same period aircraft can be currently powered by electric
> motors.
>
> Is this in line with your thinking?
>
> This eliminates the "year" issue.
>
> Gary did bring up an issue with 120 sized planes like the Option 120.
> Although not truly classic, these type of planes were indeed used in pre
> turnaround were they not?
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 4:59 PM, J N Hiller <jnhiller at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> Pat I gave that some thought last night.
>
> Traditional classic / ballistic aircraft were GLOW POWER designs. There
> may be an electric power exception but very rare and specific.
> We were to restrict it to these period glow power designs ore electric
> conversions.
> Just a thought!
> Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:
> nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]*On Behalf Of *Patrick Harris
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 19, 2014 3:41 PM
> *To:* Gail & Robert Walker
> *Cc:* Gary McClellan; AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY; Ray Gauthier; Arthur F.
> Kelly; Rudy; Rick Bergeron
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Classic Pattern
>
> Bob,
>
> Under the laid out guide line, I would say Yes it would be OK, but the
> intent is to keep it to Old School. To me a 3D ARF of modern design does
> not fit the "Old School" criteria. This stuff isn't in stone so we can
> still adjust as we go. Any thoughts from everyone on how to write this is
> most appreciated. Like Jim, said we don't want to alienate anyone, but we
> do need some sort of guideline.
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gail & Robert Walker <grbwii at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> Pat,
>   Just checking, but would that mean that I could use my electric
> Katanna(SP)? You say it fly at Dusters the other day. I would have to tone
> the throws down a bit, but it seems to fit your specs?
>               Bob W
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Patrick Harris <harris7148 at gmail.com>
> *To:* Ray Gauthier <rc.gauthier at comcast.net>
> *Cc:* AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY <nsrca-dist8 at lists.nsrca.org> ; Brad Burden<bburden1959 at gmail.com>
>  ; Bob Walker <grbwii at comcast.net> ; Rudy <whyRudy at comcast.net> ; Rick
> Bergeron <ribergeron at comcast.net> ; alan wellentin <a_wellentin at yahoo.com>
>  ;Arthur F. Kelly <afkelly25 at gmail.com> ; Bill Carder <BC3662 at aol.com> ; Gary
> McClellan <gary at raystowing.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 19, 2014 12:21 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Classic Pattern
>
> Very cool
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Raymond C. Gauthier <
> rc.gauthier at comcast.net> wrote:
> A pic of the Dalotel is attached.  Pretty cool eh?
> __________________________________________
>
> I'm hoping I have something old hanging in the garage that would fill the
> bill.  I know I have a scale French aerobatic airplane, a Dalotel, which is
> the right size and pretty much in flyable (wet power) condition.  When I'm
> back in town I'll have to dig it out and see how it flies the Novice
> pattern.
>
> Ray
>
>
>
> *From:* Patrick Harris [mailto:harris7148 at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 19, 2014 12:53 PM
> *To:* Ray Gauthier
> *Cc:* AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY; Brad Burden; Bob Walker; Rudy; Rick
> Bergeron; alan wellentin; Arthur F. Kelly; Bill Carder; Gary McClellan
> *Subject:* Re: Classic Pattern
>
> Ray,
>
> Yes. By saying 60 size that pretty much limits you to pre 80's planes. Are
> we going to turn away a guy that walks up with a little Osiris? The way
> it's written, no we wouldn't turn him away, but I think this is going to be
> a non issue or infrequent if at all. . We need to keep this real simple and
> have fun.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Raymond C. Gauthier <
> rc.gauthier at comcast.net> wrote:
> Does no year restrictions mean any airplane that fits the size and power
> guidelines?
>
> *From:* Patrick Harris [mailto:harris7148 at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 19, 2014 11:47 AM
> *To:* AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY; Brad Burden; Bob Walker; Ray Gauthier;
> Rudy; Rick Bergeron; alan wellentin; Arthur F. Kelly; Bill Carder; Gary
> McClellan
> *Subject:* Classic Pattern
>
> Just a quick update. I have had a few question from a couple of CD's in
> regards to Classic pattern this year. The bottom line is we do this is to
> have fun and we don't want to load this up with a bunch of rules.
>
> Long story short, here are the only criteria. Keep in mind we will likely
> tweak this as we go:
>
> No year restrictions
>
> 60 class planes or smaller
>
> 6 cell maximum for electrics
>
> That's it. We will fly two schedules this year which are Novice and
> Advanced which can be found here;
>
> http://www.classicpatternassociation.com/uploads/CPA_call_card.pdf
>
> At some of our contest we will fly classic Saturday and Sunday in the
> mornings due to sun issues (Woodburn, Redmond). At fields like Molalla that
> we can fly turnaround by 8:00, we will fly classic on Saturday after
> turnaround and it's the discretion of the CD to fly classic on Sunday. My
> guess is for those fields we will fly classic on Saturday only to get guys
> on the road Sunday.
>
> Also, Gordon has been at it again with a great new feature on the D8 site.
> No longer will you have to search in vane for upcoming events to
> preregister on the NSRCA calendar. All you will need to do is click on the
> 2014 schedule on the D8 site and you will find an info link and a link to
> the calendar for preregistration. By the way, it is a great help to the
> CD"s and Gordon to preregister to all contest you plan to attend. Again, my
> thanks to Gordon. Without him, we wouldn't be where we are.
>
> If you have questions or concerns, email or give me a call.
>
> 503-454-0381
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
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