[NSRCA-dist8] Masters

Patrick Harris harris7148 at gmail.com
Mon Nov 5 11:38:34 AKST 2012 

Mike,

It looks that way. Brad is moving up and we practice together, so we will
see how it goes. I know it's a year early, but at my age if I don't go now,
I may never. For that matter, at my age, I don't even buy "green bananas".
[?]

We are both going into it, with the attitude of 'using it as a great
learning experience". Of course, that and a buck and a half will get you a
bad cup of coffee.

Pat


On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 11:27 AM, astropuppy <astropuppy at gmail.com> wrote:

> Pat, Are you going to fly Masters next year?
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> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 11:51 AM, J N Hiller <jnhiller at earthlink.net>wrote:
>
>>  Yah I got by about 30 years before I had to fly a coordinated left
>> roll. Still learning.****
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:
>> nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]*On Behalf Of *alan wellentin
>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 04, 2012 8:31 PM
>> *To:* AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY
>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Masters
>>
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>> Yep, forgot about the slow rolls reversed.  Very  reminiscent of the 4 of
>> 8 slow roll reversed.  Gordon is right, getting a slow roll to hit three
>> seconds or more isn't difficult until you need to do it twice and remain in
>> the box.  Up until the other day, I had never done a slow roll to the left,
>> scary stuff, I gave the wrong flippin rudder near every time.  Like Jim
>> said, slow down and move out.  Also, don't come in on the  stall turn, if
>> you have an incoming line, your a dead duck or at least a really rushed
>> duck for the next few maneuvers.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Alan****
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>> * *
>> *From:*
>> J N Hiller <jnhiller at earthlink.net>
>> *To:* "AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY" <nsrca-dist8 at lists.nsrca.org>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 4, 2012 6:46 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Masters****
>>
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>> Yah this one sucks. Probably need about 9 sec between the turnaround
>> radiuses. Need to fly slow or far out.****
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:
>> nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]*On Behalf Of *Gordon Anderson
>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 04, 2012 6:28 PM
>> *To:* AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY
>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Masters****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> regarding slow rolls; I gave a lot of down grades last season because the
>> slow rolls were too fast. The rule books say 3 secs minimum. So make sure
>> your slow rolls are in fact slow!****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> --Gordon****
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>>  ****
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>> On Nov 4, 2012, at 6:12 PM, Patrick Harris <harris7148 at gmail.com> wrote:*
>> ***
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>> ** ******
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>> Alan,****
>>
>> I was having the same problem with the 1 1/2 snap. I talked to Arch
>> Stafford a week or so ago and he said to try holding about 1/4 power on the
>> 45 downline and go to low just before the snap. He also said to come out of
>> the elevator early. The up elevator on the last 1/2 snap pitches the plane
>> down. Sounds easy enough until you try it. So far, holding power seems to
>> help some, but I havn't been able to time the elevator.****
>>
>> I have flown the new Masters about fifteen to twenty times and have most
>> of the little stuff figured out. Here is my assessment.****
>>
>> 2. Clover. I am doing a three count on the up line before the 2 of 4 and
>> after. Nice big outside loop and you need to draw a good long line before
>> and after the full roll (I am doing a 2 to 3 count before and after the
>> roll). een able to time the elevator. ****
>>
>> 3. Stall turn, full roll up, 2 of 4 down. Use all the box as you will
>> need it for the next maneuver. Other than that, no big deal.****
>>
>> 4. Two slow rolls reversed. Not all that hard, but it needs to be started
>> really early just after the stall turn. Stall turn, short line, roll. So
>> far tough for me to center.****
>>
>> 5. Half loop 2 of 4 up exit inverted. OK, here’s the trick to the next
>> maneuver, the figure Z. This one needs to be really, really high. Use every
>> bit of the box. I am doing a slow 3 count before and after the 2 of 4. **
>> **
>>
>> 6. Figure Z. If you set it up high, it’s not all that hard to get it
>> centered. If it’s not set up high, you will have a short leg after the 2 of
>> 4 and it will look ugly. I am using a 2 or 3 count past center on the first
>> inverted leg before the first inside loop. ****
>>
>> 7. Humpty. No issues.****
>>
>> 8. Triangle loop, ½ rolls each leg. I am doing a 3 count after center
>> before the first pull, followed by a 3 count between each ½ roll. The 3
>> count is keeping it nice and big. ****
>>
>> 9. Stall turn, 2 of 4 up, 4 of 4 down. Needs to be set up at the edge of
>> the box for the next maneuver. Draw a good long line before the 2 of 4. I
>> am doing a 3 count before and after the 2 of 4. After the stall turn, draw
>> a short line and come into the 4 of 4 quick. ****
>>
>> 10. Top hat. Short line after the stall turn and come into it early. 2 of
>> 4 on up line….first quarter turn towards pilot (canopy)…it looks better.
>> Snap out…it looks better. 2 of 4 down…first quarter turn toward pilot
>> (canopy)…it looks better. ****
>>
>> 11. Humpty, ¾ turn up. Not hard, just have to remember which way to roll.
>> ****
>>
>> 12. Eight sided loop. No big deal, but can get real ugly, real fast. ****
>>
>> 13. Full roll, half outside loop. Keep the loop nice and big for the
>> Cuban and the next two turn around’s.****
>>
>> 14. Reverse Cuban eight 1 ½ snap, 4 of 8. Carry power on the 45 before
>> the snap and get out of the elevator fast. Easier said than done. This will
>> help to hold the 45. Snap out…it looks better.****
>>
>> 15. Figure six. No big deal unless you don’t set the Cuban up high. ****
>>
>> 16. Reverse knife edge, inverted exit. No big deal, just remember which
>> way to roll for the inverted. ****
>>
>> 17. ¾ Figure 8. Needs to be set up high (maneuver 13). Needs to end high
>> for the spin.****
>>
>> 18 2 ½ spin, 2 of 4 out. All about timing. ****
>>
>> Pat****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 2:15 PM, alan wellentin <a_wellentin at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:****
>>
>> Well, I got a chance to fly through the new sequence on Friday.  I didn't
>> have a chance to fly through it from start to finish, I didn't have a
>> caller and I couldn't remember the whole sequnce.  I think it's going to be
>> a fun one.  A couple of observations that I had;  ****
>>
>>                    The cuban 8 with a snap and a half isn't as bad as I
>> had imagined it to be, I only flew it twice but I think it will be a doable
>> maneuver.  I found the biggest obstacle is going to be the exit heading
>> after the snap, I ended up going from a 45 down to about a 65 down.****
>>
>>                     I really wasn't thrilled with the notion of the stall
>> turn 2 of 4 up, 4 point down.  In reallity, it isn't bad as long as the up
>> line roll portions are started well into the up line to allow centering and
>> altitude for the 4 point down.****
>>
>>                     The figure Z is a bit tougher to center than I
>> thought it would be.  I judged about 500 of the things in contests and
>> could figure out why the roll segments weren't centered and why the bottom
>> line was always pulled early, now I know.  It's just not as easy a maneuver
>> as I originaly thought it was.****
>>
>>                      It will be strange doing the reverse knife edge
>> through the middle of the box instead of on the floor, also rolling out
>> inverted will take some brainwashing, old habit of rolling back to upright
>> will have to corrected.****
>>
>>  ****
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>>  ****
>>
>> I'm figuring on selling the Miss wind, it just flies too different
>> compared to the Scandalous.  It took a couple of gallons of fuel just to
>> shake the old habitual corrections/inputs that the Wind needed but the
>> Scandalous doesn't.  I thinking around the 525-550 range for the plane
>> minus receiver but including 4, 6S packs.  I don't want to ship but I have
>> no issues meeting someplace for delivery.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Later,****
>>
>> Alan****
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