[NSRCA-dist8] Masters

Sun Nov 4 19:56:14 AKST 2012

Everyone is going to have use the "whole" box and not get too fast.  If you are in too close....forget it!!!  Speed is the key.
For the 1 1/2 snap, you have to get out of the elevator within a full rotation.  That last half roll will point the plane way too far down and there is no way to do otherwise unless the initiation raises the nose enough to counteract the effect.  If the initial rise IS sufficient, the snap will displace the plane too far and will exit on a different parallel line.  The answer is to just "jerk" (read as a slight twitch) the elevator to show a slight rise, then continue the snap with rudder and aileron only.  If you use a lot of rudder, the cone will continue and look like a normal snap...without the displacement.
To get used to the difference, do a vertical upline snap then do another without any elevator at all.  The only difference you will notice is that the plane continues on the same line and the opposite yaw goes away.  Try it, you'll like it!  :-)

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From: "Patrick Harris" <harris7148 at gmail.com>
To: "AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY" <nsrca-dist8 at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: [NSRCA-dist8] Masters
Date: Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:16 pm
And that's the problem in the new Masters. The rolls come really fast after the stall turn. Also, if you count your slow rolls, you need to count to four. "one" is zero. A good caller is going to really help to take you to the edge for the stall turn.
 So far, I'm not even close to getting it.
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 6:46 PM, J N Hiller <jnhiller at earthlink.net> wrote:

Yah this
one sucks. Probably need about 9 sec between the turnaround radiuses. Need to fly
slow or far out.

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Behalf Of Gordon Anderson

Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012
6:28 PM

To: AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Masters

regarding
slow rolls; I gave a lot of down grades last season because the slow rolls were
too fast. The rule books say 3 secs minimum. So make sure your slow rolls are
in fact slow!

--Gordon

On Nov 4,
2012, at 6:12 PM, Patrick Harris <harris7148 at gmail.com>
wrote:

Alan,

I was having
the same problem with the 1 1/2 snap. I talked to Arch Stafford a week or so
ago and he said to try holding about 1/4 power on the 45 downline and go
to low just before the snap. He also said to come out of the elevator early..
The up elevator on the last 1/2 snap pitches the plane down. Sounds easy enough
until you try it. So far, holding power seems to help some, but I havn't been
able to time the elevator.

I have flown
the new Masters about fifteen to twenty times and have most of the
little stuff figured out. Here is my assessment.

2. Clover. I
am doing a three count on the up line before the 2 of 4 and after. Nice big
outside loop and you need to draw a good long line before and after
the full roll (I am doing a 2 to 3 count before and after the roll). een
able to time the elevator. 

3. Stall
turn, full roll up, 2 of 4 down. Use all the box as you will need it for the
next maneuver. Other than that, no big deal.

4. Two slow
rolls reversed. Not all that hard, but it needs to be started really early just
after the stall turn. Stall turn, short line, roll. So far tough for me to
center.

5. Half loop
2 of 4 up exit inverted. OK, here’s the trick to the next maneuver, the figure
Z. This one needs to be really, really high. Use every bit of the box. I am
doing a slow 3 count before and after the 2 of 4. 

6. Figure Z.
If you set it up high, it’s not all that hard to get it centered. If it’s not
set up high, you will have a short leg after the 2 of 4 and it will look ugly.
I am using a 2 or 3 count past center on the first inverted leg before the
first inside loop. 

7. Humpty. No
issues.

8. Triangle
loop, ½ rolls each leg. I am doing a 3 count after center before the first
pull, followed by a 3 count between each ½ roll. The 3 count is keeping it nice
and big. 

9. Stall
turn, 2 of 4 up, 4 of 4 down. Needs to be set up at the edge of the box for the
next maneuver. Draw a good long line before the 2 of 4. I am doing a 3 count
before and after the 2 of 4. After the stall turn, draw a short line and come
into the 4 of 4 quick. 

10. Top hat.
Short line after the stall turn and come into it early. 2 of 4 on up
line….first quarter turn towards pilot (canopy)…it looks better. Snap out…it
looks better. 2 of 4 down…first quarter turn toward pilot (canopy)…it looks
better. 

11. Humpty, ¾
turn up. Not hard, just have to remember which way to roll. 

12. Eight
sided loop. No big deal, but can get real ugly, real fast. 

13. Full
roll, half outside loop. Keep the loop nice and big for the Cuban and the next
two turn around’s.

14. Reverse
Cuban eight 1 ½ snap, 4 of 8. Carry power on the 45 before the snap and get out
of the elevator fast. Easier said than done. This will help to hold the 45.
Snap out…it looks better.

15. Figure
six. No big deal unless you don’t set the Cuban up high. 

16. Reverse
knife edge, inverted exit. No big deal, just remember which way to roll for the
inverted. 

17. ¾ Figure
8. Needs to be set up high (maneuver 13). Needs to end high for the spin.

18 2 ½ spin,
2 of 4 out. All about timing. 

Pat

On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 2:15 PM, alan
wellentin <a_wellentin at yahoo.com>
wrote:

Well, I got a chance to fly through the new sequence on
Friday.  I didn't have a chance to fly through it from start to finish, I
didn't have a caller and I couldn't remember the whole sequnce.  I think
it's going to be a fun one.  A couple of observations that I had;  

The cuban 8 with a snap and a half isn't as bad as I had imagined it to be, I
only flew it twice but I think it will be a doable maneuver.  I found the
biggest obstacle is going to be the exit heading after the snap, I ended up
going from a 45 down to about a 65 down.

                    I
really wasn't thrilled with the notion of the stall turn 2 of 4 up, 4 point
down.  In reallity, it isn't bad as long as the up line roll portions are
started well into the up line to allow centering and altitude for the 4 point
down.

                    The
figure Z is a bit tougher to center than I thought it would be.  I judged
about 500 of the things in contests and could figure out why the roll segments
weren't centered and why the bottom line was always pulled early, now I
know.  It's just not as easy a maneuver as I originaly thought it was..

                     It
will be strange doing the reverse knife edge through the middle of the box
instead of on the floor, also rolling out inverted will take some brainwashing,
old habit of rolling back to upright will have to corrected.

I'm figuring on selling the Miss wind, it just flies too different
compared to the Scandalous.  It took a couple of gallons of fuel just to
shake the old habitual corrections/inputs that the Wind needed but the
Scandalous doesn't.  I thinking around the 525-550 range for the plane
minus receiver but including 4, 6S packs.  I don't want to ship but I have
no issues meeting someplace for delivery.

Later,

Alan

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