Mike,<div><br></div><div>It looks that way. Brad is moving up and we practice together, so we will see how it goes. I know it's a year early, but at my age if I don't go now, I may never. For that matter, at my age, I don't even buy "green bananas". <img src="cid:360@goomoji.gmail" style="margin: 0px 0.2ex; vertical-align: middle; " goomoji="360"></div>
<div><br></div><div>We are both going into it, with the attitude of 'using it as a great learning experience". Of course, that and a buck and a half will get you a bad cup of coffee.</div><div> </div><div>Pat</div>
<div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 11:27 AM, astropuppy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:astropuppy@gmail.com" target="_blank">astropuppy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Pat, Are you going to fly Masters next year?<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 11:51 AM, J N Hiller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net" target="_blank">jnhiller@earthlink.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Yah I got
by about 30 years before I had to fly a coordinated left roll. Still learning.<u></u><u></u></span></font></span></p><div><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u> <u></u><u></u><u></u></span></font></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On
Behalf Of </span></b>alan wellentin<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, November 04, 2012
8:31 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Masters</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">Yep, forgot about the slow rolls reversed.
Very reminiscent of the 4 of 8 slow roll reversed. Gordon is right,
getting a slow roll to hit three seconds or more isn't difficult until you need
to do it twice and remain in the box. Up until the other day, I had never
done a slow roll to the left, scary stuff, I gave the wrong flippin rudder near
every time. Like Jim said, slow down and move out. Also, don't come
in on the stall turn, if you have an incoming line, your a dead
duck or at least a really rushed duck for the next few maneuvers.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">Alan<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:.5in;background:white"><b><font color="black" face="Arial">
</font></b></p><div readonly><b><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b></div><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> J N Hiller <<a href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net" target="_blank">jnhiller@earthlink.net</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> "AK, ID, MT, OR, WA,
WY" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, November 4, 2012
6:46 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Masters</span></font><font color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman""><u></u><u></u></span></font><p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:.5in;background:white"><span><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Yah this one sucks. Probably need about 9 sec between the
turnaround radiuses. Need to fly slow or far out.</span></font></span><font color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman""><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On
Behalf Of </span></b>Gordon Anderson<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, November 04, 2012
6:28 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Masters</span></font><font color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman""><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.0in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman""> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.0in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">regarding slow rolls; I gave a lot of down grades last season
because the slow rolls were too fast. The rule books say 3 secs minimum. So
make sure your slow rolls are in fact slow!<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.0in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman""> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.0in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">--Gordon<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.0in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman""> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.0in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">On Nov 4, 2012, at 6:12 PM, Patrick Harris <<a href="mailto:harris7148@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">harris7148@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman""><u></u> <u></u><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">Alan,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">I was having the same problem with the 1 1/2 snap. I talked to
Arch Stafford a week or so ago and he said to try holding about 1/4 power on
the 45 downline and go to low just before the snap. He also said to come
out of the elevator early. The up elevator on the last 1/2 snap pitches the
plane down. Sounds easy enough until you try it. So far, holding power seems to
help some, but I havn't been able to time the elevator.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">I have flown the new Masters about fifteen to twenty times and
have most of the little stuff figured out. Here is my assessment.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">2. Clover. I am doing a three count on the up line before the 2 of
4 and after. Nice big outside loop and you need to draw a good long line before
and after the full roll (I am doing a 2 to 3 count before and after the
roll). een able to time the elevator. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">3. Stall turn, full roll up, 2 of 4 down. Use all the box as you
will need it for the next maneuver. Other than that, no big deal.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">4. Two slow rolls reversed. Not all that hard, but it needs to be
started really early just after the stall turn. Stall turn, short line, roll.
So far tough for me to center.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">5. Half loop 2 of 4 up exit inverted. OK, here’s the trick to the
next maneuver, the figure Z. This one needs to be really, really high. Use
every bit of the box. I am doing a slow 3 count before and after the 2 of 4. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">6. Figure Z. If you set it up high, it’s not all that hard to get
it centered. If it’s not set up high, you will have a short leg after the 2 of
4 and it will look ugly. I am using a 2 or 3 count past center on the first
inverted leg before the first inside loop. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">7. Humpty. No issues.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">8. Triangle loop, ½ rolls each leg. I am doing a 3 count after
center before the first pull, followed by a 3 count between each ½ roll. The 3
count is keeping it nice and big. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">9. Stall turn, 2 of 4 up, 4 of 4 down. Needs to be set up at the
edge of the box for the next maneuver. Draw a good long line before the 2 of 4.
I am doing a 3 count before and after the 2 of 4. After the stall turn, draw a
short line and come into the 4 of 4 quick. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">10. Top hat. Short line after the stall turn and come into it
early. 2 of 4 on up line….first quarter turn towards pilot (canopy)…it looks
better. Snap out…it looks better. 2 of 4 down…first quarter turn toward pilot
(canopy)…it looks better. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">11. Humpty, ¾ turn up. Not hard, just have to remember which way
to roll. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">12. Eight sided loop. No big deal, but can get real ugly, real
fast. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">13. Full roll, half outside loop. Keep the loop nice and big for
the Cuban and the next two turn around’s.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">14. Reverse Cuban eight 1 ½ snap, 4 of 8. Carry power on the 45
before the snap and get out of the elevator fast. Easier said than done. This
will help to hold the 45. Snap out…it looks better.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">15. Figure six. No big deal unless you don’t set the Cuban up
high. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">16. Reverse knife edge, inverted exit. No big deal, just remember
which way to roll for the inverted. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">17. ¾ Figure 8. Needs to be set up high (maneuver 13). Needs to
end high for the spin.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">18 2 ½ spin, 2 of 4 out. All about timing. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:3.75pt;margin-left:1.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">Pat<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:1.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman""> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:1.5in;background:white"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 2:15 PM, alan wellentin <<a href="mailto:a_wellentin@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a_wellentin@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<div style="border-color:currentColor currentColor currentColor rgb(204,204,204)">
<div style="border:none;border-left:solid windowtext .75pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;background:white">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:112.8pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">Well, I got a chance to fly through
the new sequence on Friday. I didn't have a chance to fly through it from
start to finish, I didn't have a caller and I couldn't remember the whole
sequnce. I think it's going to be a fun one. A couple of
observations that I had; <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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The cuban 8 with a snap and a half isn't as bad as I had imagined it to be, I
only flew it twice but I think it will be a doable maneuver. I found the
biggest obstacle is going to be the exit heading after the snap, I ended up
going from a 45 down to about a 65 down.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:112.8pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman""> I
really wasn't thrilled with the notion of the stall turn 2 of 4 up, 4 point
down. In reallity, it isn't bad as long as the up line roll portions are
started well into the up line to allow centering and altitude for the 4 point
down.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:112.8pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman""> The
figure Z is a bit tougher to center than I thought it would be. I judged
about 500 of the things in contests and could figure out why the roll segments
weren't centered and why the bottom line was always pulled early, now I
know. It's just not as easy a maneuver as I originaly thought it was.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:112.8pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman""> It
will be strange doing the reverse knife edge through the middle of the box
instead of on the floor, also rolling out inverted will take some brainwashing,
old habit of rolling back to upright will have to corrected.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:112.8pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman""> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:112.8pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;padding:0in"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">I'm figuring on selling the Miss
wind, it just flies too different compared to the Scandalous. It took a
couple of gallons of fuel just to shake the old habitual corrections/inputs
that the Wind needed but the Scandalous doesn't. I thinking around the
525-550 range for the plane minus receiver but including 4, 6S packs. I
don't want to ship but I have no issues meeting someplace for delivery.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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