[NSRCA-dist8] Judging question

Mon Aug 20 07:32:56 AKDT 2012

That's good stuff,Jim!  Right on the money...

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From: "J N Hiller" <jnhiller at earthlink.net>
To: "alan wellentin" <a_wellentin at yahoo.com>, "AK, ID, MT, OR, WA,WY" <nsrca-dist8 at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: [NSRCA-dist8] Judging question
Date: Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:44 pm
Yah masters and FAI need to
use the full box 150 m out to get enough room.

Since I
don't fly dual rates I've set significantly more left roll to speed up the two
point and full roll half squares. A late entry / finish of a preceding center
maneuver almost guarantees a down grade or box violation. Sometimes the
maneuver can be salvaged by flying a small radius leaving more room for the
entry line.

With
respect to the intermediate there is plenty of room on top as the square loop starts
with the first radius well past center. The crunch is on the bottom with
an often off center late finishing preceding two rolls, usually a result of not
positioning the previous turnaround (stall turn with full roll) near the box boundary.
This is often due to being impatient after finishing the reverse cuban-eight
well before box center, especially if flying into wind. This is the only real crunch
in the sequence. 

A late
finishing half roll opposite can get tight against the humpty with option if
flown in line with large radiuses (3-radiuses wide). The width requirement can
be to one radius using the 1/4 roll option.

The pull-push-pull
humpty following the cobra roll is also 3-R wide but starts with the first R
near the far side of the maneuver, 2-R into it.

In
advanced the crunch comes with late finishing 4-point and slow rolls, both
followed by half squares with roll elements.

This
unforgiving positioning requirement is what makes turnaround pattern interesting
and challenging. As we advance in class positioning gets more critical along
with more demanding geometry and intermediate is a big step up from sportsman. 

Oh by the
way I remember a lot of discussion regarding the two rolls in intermediate not
being enough, some thought there should have been three rolls.

I hope
some find this as interesting as I do.

I'm much
more interested in how to fly it than judge it.

Jim

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From:
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[mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On
Behalf Of alan wellentin

Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 8:51
PM

To: AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Judging
question

"The half square
finishes when the horizontal line equals 1/2 the vertical line"  

With the above statement being true, most
should be limiting the height of their 1/2 square loops.  I've seen,
judged and flown some very tall 1/2 squares, if that top horizontal line
is judged for half of the height of the vertical, there are times that the
2 point deduction for "no entry line" will be showing up a
bit more often.  

Mikes quote "I crossed center circled around to the
right" I would think that both
the turnaround and the center would be zeroed.  The way I interpret his
description, he crossed center did a 180 degree turn, crossed center again in
the opposite direction, did another 180 degree turn, rolled to the proper
orientation and then flew to the other side of the box.  Did the center
even happen?  Even if it did, crossing center and then turning back would
be enough to zero the center maneuver.  Did I interpret it wrong?  

My .02 cents.

Alan

From: J N Hiller <jnhiller at earthlink.net>

To: "AK, ID, MT, OR, WA,
WY" <nsrca-dist8 at lists.nsrca.org> 

Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 7:49
PM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Judging
question

I guess I'm late with this, club picnic today.

The half square finishes when the horizontal line equals 1/2 the
vertical line. This is where I would stop judging the half square and only
downgrade the line if it was improper. The issue in question is where do you
consider you finished the half square, after the radius or after the top line. 

"After I
finish the 1/2 square I got totally disorientated" 

If the separation line is out of shape I believe the downgrade
belongs to the next maneuver (square loop from the top).

I would not downgrade any flying around necessary to get back into
the proper entry for the next turnaround, as this would be double jeopardy
after zeroing the square loop. 

I didn't know for sure which maneuver, previous or pending, should
get a separation line downgrade if needed. I couldn't find my test score sheets to see what if anything may be
different but here's what I found in the
rules, (Page 14).

Lines: All
aerobatic maneuvers are started and ended by a horizontal line. When no line is
flown between two (2) scored maneuvers, the upcoming maneuver should be
downgraded by two (2) points. If no defined line is flown at the exit of a
maneuver and it is the last maneuver flown prior to landing, then a two (2)
point deduction should be given to the maneuver just completed. 

I assume the intent is
straight and level flight, wings level parallel to the flight line. Depth
correction here is a no-no but may be the lesser of evils and necessary to
salvage the upcoming maneuver. 

Once again a long answer to a simple question, or should I say
nothing is as simple as it seams.

Jim

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From:
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[mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On
Behalf Of astropuppy

Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:12
PM

To: nsrca-dist8

Subject: [NSRCA-dist8] Judging
question

I was out
practicing today and totally screwed up a maneuver.  After the flight
one of my flying buddies asked how it would of been scored. I didn't know and
for the benefit of the group I'm asking here on the list.

Flying
intermediate I came into the 4th maneuver "1/2 square loop exit
inverted" .  After I finish the 1/2 square I got
totally disorientated flying upside down to center for the
"Square loop from top". By the time I get to center, I am right side
up, climbing and headed out at about a 45 degree angle to my line.
I crossed center circled around to the right, backtracking;
just before getting back to center I rolled inverted flew to the
other (box) corner and continued with the half loop. 

I realize the
square from the top gets a zero. My question is are points deducted from the
half loop because I crossed center and circled back around?

Mike

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