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<body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue style='tab-interval:.5in'>That's good stuff,Jim! Right on the money...<br><br>Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone<br><br><div id="htc_header" style="">----- Reply message -----<br>From: "J N Hiller" <jnhiller@earthlink.net><br>To: "alan wellentin" <a_wellentin@yahoo.com>, "AK, ID, MT, OR, WA,WY" <nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org><br>Subject: [NSRCA-dist8] Judging question<br>Date: Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:44 pm<br><br></div><br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle45><span style='right:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><span style='right:auto'>Yah masters and FAI need to
use the full box 150 m out to get enough room.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle45><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle45><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Since I
don't fly dual rates I've set significantly more left roll to speed up the two
point and full roll half squares. A late entry / finish of a preceding center
maneuver almost guarantees a down grade or box violation. Sometimes the
maneuver can be salvaged by flying a small radius leaving more room for the
entry line.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle45><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle45><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>With
respect to the intermediate there is plenty of room on top as the square loop starts
with the first radius well past center. The <u>crunch</u> is on the bottom with
an often off center late finishing preceding two rolls, usually a result of not
positioning the previous turnaround (stall turn with full roll) near the box boundary.
This is often due to being impatient after finishing the reverse cuban-eight
well before box center, especially if flying into wind. This is the only real crunch
in the sequence. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle45><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>A late
finishing half roll opposite can get tight against the humpty with option if
flown in line with large radiuses (3-radiuses wide). The width requirement can
be to one radius using the 1/4 roll option.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle45><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle45><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The pull-push-pull
humpty following the cobra roll is also 3-R wide but starts with the first R
near the far side of the maneuver, 2-R into it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle45><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle45><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>In
advanced the crunch comes with late finishing 4-point and slow rolls, both
followed by half squares with roll elements.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle45><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle45><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>This
unforgiving positioning requirement is what makes turnaround pattern interesting
and challenging. As we advance in class positioning gets more critical along
with more demanding geometry and intermediate is a big step up from sportsman. <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle45><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle45><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Oh by the
way I remember a lot of discussion regarding the two rolls in intermediate not
being enough, some thought there should have been three rolls.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle45><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle45><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I hope
some find this as interesting as I do.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle45><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I'm much
more interested in how to fly it than judge it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle45><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle45><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle45><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle45><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>alan wellentin<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, August 19, 2012 8:51
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Judging
question</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span
class=yiv578646267emailstyle15><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>"The half square
finishes when the horizontal line equals 1/2 the vertical line" </span></span></font></span></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </div>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span
class=yiv578646267emailstyle15><span style='right:auto'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='right:auto'>With the above statement being true, most
should be limiting the height of their 1/2 square loops. I've seen,
judged and flown some very tall 1/2 squares, if that top horizontal line
is judged for half of the height of the vertical, there are times that the
2 point deduction for "no entry line" will be showing up a
bit more often. </span></span></font></span></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </div>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;background:white'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='right:auto'>Mikes quote "</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'>I crossed center circled around to the
right" </span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I would think that both
the turnaround and the center would be zeroed. The way I interpret his
description, he crossed center did a 180 degree turn, crossed center again in
the opposite direction, did another 180 degree turn, rolled to the proper
orientation and then flew to the other side of the box. Did the center
even happen? Even if it did, crossing center and then turning back would
be enough to zero the center maneuver. Did I interpret it wrong? </span></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> J N Hiller <jnhiller@earthlink.net><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> "AK, ID, MT, OR, WA,
WY" <nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org> <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, August 19, 2012 7:49
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Judging
question</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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<div style='right:auto'>I guess I'm late with this, club picnic today.</span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
3.75pt;margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span class=yiv578646267emailstyle15><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> </span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
3.75pt;margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span class=yiv578646267emailstyle15><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>The half square finishes when the horizontal line equals 1/2 the
vertical line. This is where I would stop judging the half square and only
downgrade the line if it was improper. The issue in question is where do you
consider you finished the half square, after the radius or after the top line. </span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
3.75pt;margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span class=yiv578646267emailstyle15><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> </span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
3.75pt;margin-left:.5in;background:white'><font size=3 color=navy
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>"After I
finish the 1/2 square I got totally disorientated" </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
3.75pt;margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span class=yiv578646267emailstyle15><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> </span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
3.75pt;margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span class=yiv578646267emailstyle15><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>If the separation line is out of shape I believe the downgrade
belongs to the next maneuver (square loop from the top).</span></font></span><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
3.75pt;margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span class=yiv578646267emailstyle15><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>I would not downgrade any flying around necessary to get back into
the proper entry for the next turnaround, as this would be double jeopardy
after zeroing the square loop. </span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
3.75pt;margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span class=yiv578646267emailstyle15><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> </span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
3.75pt;margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span class=yiv578646267emailstyle15><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>I didn't know for sure which maneuver, previous or pending, should
get a separation line downgrade if needed. </span></font></span><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>I couldn't find my test score sheets to see what if anything may be
different but h<span class=yiv578646267emailstyle15>ere's what I found in the
rules, (Page 14).</span></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:
black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
3.75pt;margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span class=yiv578646267emailstyle15><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> </span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
3.75pt;margin-left:.5in;background:white'><b><font size=2 color=fuchsia
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:fuchsia;
font-weight:bold'>Lines: </span></font></b><font size=2 color=fuchsia
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:fuchsia'>All
aerobatic maneuvers are started and ended by a horizontal line. When no line is
flown between two (2) scored maneuvers, the upcoming maneuver should be
downgraded by two (2) points. If no defined line is flown at the exit of a
maneuver and it is the last maneuver flown prior to landing, then a two (2)
point deduction should be given to the maneuver just completed. </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
3.75pt;margin-left:.5in;background:white'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
3.75pt;margin-left:.5in;background:white'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I assume the intent is
straight and level flight, wings level parallel to the flight line. Depth
correction here is a no-no but may be the lesser of evils and necessary to
salvage the upcoming maneuver. </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
3.75pt;margin-left:.5in;background:white'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
3.75pt;margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span class=yiv578646267emailstyle15><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Once again a long answer to a simple question, or should I say
nothing is as simple as it seams.</span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Jim</span></font></span><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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3.75pt;margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span class=yiv578646267emailstyle15><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> </span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> </span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> </span></font></span><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>astropuppy<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:12
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> nsrca-dist8<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [NSRCA-dist8] Judging
question</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
3.75pt;margin-left:1.0in;background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
3.75pt;margin-left:1.0in;background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I was out
practicing today and totally screwed up a maneuver. After the flight
one of my flying buddies asked how it would of been scored. I didn't know and
for the benefit of the group I'm asking here on the list.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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3.75pt;margin-left:1.0in;background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Flying
intermediate I came into the 4th maneuver "1/2 square loop exit
inverted" . After I finish the 1/2 square I got
totally disorientated flying upside down to center for the
"Square loop from top". By the time I get to center, I am right side
up, climbing and headed out at about a 45 degree angle to my line.
I crossed center circled around to the right, backtracking;
just before getting back to center I rolled inverted flew to the
other (box) corner and continued with the half loop. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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3.75pt;margin-left:1.0in;background:white'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I realize the
square from the top gets a zero. My question is are points deducted from the
half loop because I crossed center and circled back around?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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