[NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods

Mon May 2 21:22:44 AKDT 2016

Did I miss Tonys answer? He said he answered it.. Where did I miss the yes
or no here? Tony is clearly the leading voice of BMF who clearly hands out
NSCRA disctrict points and I reckon, the NSRCA should be done away with
according the BMF as they are in charge of district 7 points..

Chris

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 10:17 PM, Chris Fitzsimmons <kfactoreditor at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Are you a politician? You are not familiar but yet it may be that? Stop
> trying to spread your thought with non fact... Stick to what you know for
> fact..
>
> I still have no answer about where the NSRCA points come from
>
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-dist7 <
> nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
>> Well said Steve!
>>
>> I would like to make this point, and maybe those members of the BOD in
>> the NSRCA can correct me if I am wrong.
>>
>> The NSRCA is the Special Interest Group for the R/C Aerobatics Event and
>> has been assigned as the SIG for Indoor Aerobatics. I am not completely
>> familiar with the requirements for becoming a SIG within the AMA. But I'll
>> bet part of it is to abide by and enforce the AMA Competition Regulations.
>> It might be that the AMA would look dimly at the NSRCA punishing a club by
>> trying to invalidate their contest even though that club is running their
>> events totally within the AMA Competition Regulations.
>>
>> Something to think about.
>>
>> Tony Frackowiak
>>
>> On May 2, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Steven Lampert via NSRCA-dist7 wrote:
>>
>> My problem with John’s position is that if a club, in accordance with its
>> bylaws, acts to expel or ban an individual, then the NRCA’s decision to
>> invalidate the points from an event hosted by that club effectively
>> penalizes the club for taking action against such an individual.  The club
>> is thus left with the unpalatable options of either tolerating the presence
>> of this individual, or having their contest effectively marginalized and
>> transformed into a glorified fun fly.
>> I really don’t question the authority of the NSRCA to exclude such a club
>> from hosting an event that is conducted under the auspices of the NSRCA.
>> However , within the context of a club sponsored event, I think the NSRCA
>> may be exceeding the legitimate bounds of its authority by effectively
>> punishing a club in this manner.
>>
>> What I can’t seem to determine is what is the legitimate scope and source
>> of the NSRCA’s authority in this regard…
>>
>>
>> *From:* NSRCA-dist7 [mailto:nsrca-dist7-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Peter Vogel via NSRCA-dist7
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 02, 2016 2:11 PM
>> *To:* Chris Fitzsimmons; CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT
>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods
>>
>> +1.  Well said Chris!
>>
>> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Chris Fitzsimmons via NSRCA-dist7 <
>> nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>> No one is really missing out on any points or contest. Let's not forget
>> the BMF contest was not even a contest till like a week ago. The guys up
>> north are actually the main people missing out on a contest. Hence why the
>> Fresno came in to replace it. And then BMF.. Great to have two step up.
>>
>> The issue is the club isn't in charge of district points, they are (as
>> Robert has pointed out) in charge of their affairs. And that's correct.. To
>> me and most others it seems, NSRCA points are not BMFs affair. That belongs
>> to the NSRCA.  The NSRCA is an organization right? If we don't pay them we
>> can't get district points right? Where is that confusing anyone?
>>
>> I fully understand BMF and their decision. I could care less who they
>> ban... It's about district points and why it is or isn't fair.  It's not
>> rocket science and perhaps you should put the shoe on the other foot also.
>> I tried it on.. I returned it to the rightful owner after thinking about it
>> carefully from the other side.
>>
>> (Drops microphone) I'm out ✌️
>>
>> Just kidding. Lighten up ffs.. This is a hobby...
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On May 2, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-dist7 <
>> nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>
>> So, with the retaining of the requirement for 4 contests for the Champs,
>> and the elimination of points from the upcoming BMF contest, which was just
>> to try to help out after your contest was cancelled, plus no points for all
>> BMF contests in the future, it will now be even harder for people of more
>> limited means to compete for the District Champs. How does that make it a
>> "level playing field" for them?
>>
>> I guess it's no problem when you have the means to go to all the events
>> you want, along with the Nats each year. Not only financially but when you
>> can always travel in a group sharing the load. Not often the case when
>> you're just getting in to pattern. I'm also lucky to have good friends that
>> help me attend contests. Otherwise I could only go to contests that I run
>> or I can return home easily to stay the night.
>>
>> And people wonder why the entrant counts at our contests continue to
>> dwindle. Or why there are 19 Masters in a 35 entrant contest.
>>
>> Still waiting for my return call, Jon.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> On May 2, 2016, at 8:24 AM, joncarter60 via NSRCA-dist7 wrote:
>>
>>
>> I also am in agreement with Dale's points. It is simply about having a
>> "level playing field" for the district championship.
>>
>> Jon Carter
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6 edge, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Budd Engineering via NSRCA-dist7 <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: 5/2/2016 8:15 AM (GMT-08:00)
>> To: Olstinske Dale <sanjosedale at gmail.com>, "CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT" <
>> nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods
>>
>> +1
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On May 2, 2016, at 7:54 AM, Olstinske Dale via NSRCA-dist7 <
>> nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > I love the BMF contests, one of the highlights of the year. I would
>> always attend in any event, but I support John’s decision about district
>> championship points. I really doubt the attendance would be hurt in anyway,
>> just my opinion.
>> >
>> > Dale
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On May 1, 2016, at 4:20 PM, John Bentley via NSRCA-dist7 <
>> nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> This is NOT an attack on the Bear Mountain Club/Tony/Leon, (read my
>> original
>> >> post)  It is a statement of policy, in that  every  and ALL members of
>> the
>> >> NSRCA and AMA should be able to compete in the district
>> championships.  Did
>> >> anyone actually read my proposal???? . There should for pilots with the
>> >> exception of legal actions due to NSRCA or AMA never be an exclusion
>> to this
>> >> policy.
>> >> I have never said that anyone could not have a contest, however for
>> that
>> >> contest to be valid there can be no exclusions of pilots that are in
>> good
>> >> standing with AMA and NSRCA  There will be NO more personal attacks
>> nor more
>> >> personal vendettas.  This is only about out district policy and
>> nothing else.
>> >> John Bentley
>> >>
>> >> 30 Apr 2016 04:58:39 PM MST
>> >> From: John Bentley via NSRCA-dist7 <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
>> >> To: <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
>> >> Subject: [NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods
>> >>
>> >> All NSRCA D7 Members. It has come to my attention that members in good
>> >> standing with AMA and NSRCA are unable to fly at a contest site.
>> Because of
>> >> this, from this point  no district championship points will be
>> assigned at
>> >> any
>> >> contest that excludes a member that is in good standing with AMA and
>> NSRCA.
>> >>
>> >> Now on the discussion about the Championship. The overall consensus is
>> that
>> >> there should be a single Championship and that Championship should
>> move to
>> >> different sites within D7. In all fairness  since 4 contests have been
>> flown
>> >> there will be no change in how points are determined for the 2016
>> contest
>> >> season.
>> >>
>> >> I have heard lots of talk on how the points are awarded . Here is my
>> thought
>> >> in how the contest(S) could be more competitive:
>> >>
>> >> 1. Use 3 contests for qualification. Each pilot will be awarded 33
>> points for
>> >> attendance plus 1 point for each person they beat in the contest.
>> >> One contest can be used from out of district however that contest can
>> not
>> >> have
>> >> any points given that is larger than the largest D7 contest
>> attended.As an
>> >> example if a pilot attended the NATS and beat 30 people but their
>> largest
>> >> class in D7 was 18 they could only be awarded 18 points extra not 30.
>> >> 2. The championship Contest will  count as 100 points plus 1 point for
>> each
>> >> person beat.
>> >>
>> >> 3.The method for the calculation will be announced no later than Jan 1
>> 2017
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> John
>> >>
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