[NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods

Mon May 2 21:18:21 AKDT 2016

Are you a politician? You are not familiar but yet it may be that? Stop
trying to spread your thought with non fact... Stick to what you know for
fact..

I still have no answer about where the NSRCA points come from

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-dist7 <
nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

> Well said Steve!
>
> I would like to make this point, and maybe those members of the BOD in the
> NSRCA can correct me if I am wrong.
>
> The NSRCA is the Special Interest Group for the R/C Aerobatics Event and
> has been assigned as the SIG for Indoor Aerobatics. I am not completely
> familiar with the requirements for becoming a SIG within the AMA. But I'll
> bet part of it is to abide by and enforce the AMA Competition Regulations.
> It might be that the AMA would look dimly at the NSRCA punishing a club by
> trying to invalidate their contest even though that club is running their
> events totally within the AMA Competition Regulations.
>
> Something to think about.
>
> Tony Frackowiak
>
> On May 2, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Steven Lampert via NSRCA-dist7 wrote:
>
> My problem with John’s position is that if a club, in accordance with its
> bylaws, acts to expel or ban an individual, then the NRCA’s decision to
> invalidate the points from an event hosted by that club effectively
> penalizes the club for taking action against such an individual.  The club
> is thus left with the unpalatable options of either tolerating the presence
> of this individual, or having their contest effectively marginalized and
> transformed into a glorified fun fly.
> I really don’t question the authority of the NSRCA to exclude such a club
> from hosting an event that is conducted under the auspices of the NSRCA.
> However , within the context of a club sponsored event, I think the NSRCA
> may be exceeding the legitimate bounds of its authority by effectively
> punishing a club in this manner.
>
> What I can’t seem to determine is what is the legitimate scope and source
> of the NSRCA’s authority in this regard…
>
>
> *From:* NSRCA-dist7 [mailto:nsrca-dist7-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Peter Vogel via NSRCA-dist7
> *Sent:* Monday, May 02, 2016 2:11 PM
> *To:* Chris Fitzsimmons; CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods
>
> +1.  Well said Chris!
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Chris Fitzsimmons via NSRCA-dist7 <
> nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
> No one is really missing out on any points or contest. Let's not forget
> the BMF contest was not even a contest till like a week ago. The guys up
> north are actually the main people missing out on a contest. Hence why the
> Fresno came in to replace it. And then BMF.. Great to have two step up.
>
> The issue is the club isn't in charge of district points, they are (as
> Robert has pointed out) in charge of their affairs. And that's correct.. To
> me and most others it seems, NSRCA points are not BMFs affair. That belongs
> to the NSRCA.  The NSRCA is an organization right? If we don't pay them we
> can't get district points right? Where is that confusing anyone?
>
> I fully understand BMF and their decision. I could care less who they
> ban... It's about district points and why it is or isn't fair.  It's not
> rocket science and perhaps you should put the shoe on the other foot also.
> I tried it on.. I returned it to the rightful owner after thinking about it
> carefully from the other side.
>
> (Drops microphone) I'm out ✌️
>
> Just kidding. Lighten up ffs.. This is a hobby...
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 2, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-dist7 <
> nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> So, with the retaining of the requirement for 4 contests for the Champs,
> and the elimination of points from the upcoming BMF contest, which was just
> to try to help out after your contest was cancelled, plus no points for all
> BMF contests in the future, it will now be even harder for people of more
> limited means to compete for the District Champs. How does that make it a
> "level playing field" for them?
>
> I guess it's no problem when you have the means to go to all the events
> you want, along with the Nats each year. Not only financially but when you
> can always travel in a group sharing the load. Not often the case when
> you're just getting in to pattern. I'm also lucky to have good friends that
> help me attend contests. Otherwise I could only go to contests that I run
> or I can return home easily to stay the night.
>
> And people wonder why the entrant counts at our contests continue to
> dwindle. Or why there are 19 Masters in a 35 entrant contest.
>
> Still waiting for my return call, Jon.
>
> Tony
>
> On May 2, 2016, at 8:24 AM, joncarter60 via NSRCA-dist7 wrote:
>
>
> I also am in agreement with Dale's points. It is simply about having a
> "level playing field" for the district championship.
>
> Jon Carter
>
>
>
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Budd Engineering via NSRCA-dist7 <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: 5/2/2016 8:15 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Olstinske Dale <sanjosedale at gmail.com>, "CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT" <
> nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods
>
> +1
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 2, 2016, at 7:54 AM, Olstinske Dale via NSRCA-dist7 <
> nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
> >
> > I love the BMF contests, one of the highlights of the year. I would
> always attend in any event, but I support John’s decision about district
> championship points. I really doubt the attendance would be hurt in anyway,
> just my opinion.
> >
> > Dale
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On May 1, 2016, at 4:20 PM, John Bentley via NSRCA-dist7 <
> nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> This is NOT an attack on the Bear Mountain Club/Tony/Leon, (read my
> original
> >> post)  It is a statement of policy, in that  every  and ALL members of
> the
> >> NSRCA and AMA should be able to compete in the district championships.
> Did
> >> anyone actually read my proposal???? . There should for pilots with the
> >> exception of legal actions due to NSRCA or AMA never be an exclusion to
> this
> >> policy.
> >> I have never said that anyone could not have a contest, however for that
> >> contest to be valid there can be no exclusions of pilots that are in
> good
> >> standing with AMA and NSRCA  There will be NO more personal attacks
> nor more
> >> personal vendettas.  This is only about out district policy and nothing
> else.
> >> John Bentley
> >>
> >> 30 Apr 2016 04:58:39 PM MST
> >> From: John Bentley via NSRCA-dist7 <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
> >> To: <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
> >> Subject: [NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods
> >>
> >> All NSRCA D7 Members. It has come to my attention that members in good
> >> standing with AMA and NSRCA are unable to fly at a contest site.
> Because of
> >> this, from this point  no district championship points will be assigned
> at
> >> any
> >> contest that excludes a member that is in good standing with AMA and
> NSRCA.
> >>
> >> Now on the discussion about the Championship. The overall consensus is
> that
> >> there should be a single Championship and that Championship should move
> to
> >> different sites within D7. In all fairness  since 4 contests have been
> flown
> >> there will be no change in how points are determined for the 2016
> contest
> >> season.
> >>
> >> I have heard lots of talk on how the points are awarded . Here is my
> thought
> >> in how the contest(S) could be more competitive:
> >>
> >> 1. Use 3 contests for qualification. Each pilot will be awarded 33
> points for
> >> attendance plus 1 point for each person they beat in the contest.
> >> One contest can be used from out of district however that contest can
> not
> >> have
> >> any points given that is larger than the largest D7 contest attended.As
> an
> >> example if a pilot attended the NATS and beat 30 people but their
> largest
> >> class in D7 was 18 they could only be awarded 18 points extra not 30.
> >> 2. The championship Contest will  count as 100 points plus 1 point for
> each
> >> person beat.
> >>
> >> 3.The method for the calculation will be announced no later than Jan 1
> 2017
> >>
> >>
> >> John
> >>
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