[NSRCA-discussion] Model Identification for FAI starting in 2022

Thu Sep 9 05:56:17 AKDT 2021

I agree with Joe mostly.

I do think it's important to remember that, really, this only applies to
those folks that compete on the international level.  It doesn't apply to
local contests and I don't think (could be wrong here) that it doesn't
apply to the NATS (unless maybe a Team Selection year?).  At any rate, the
majority of folks that compete are flying Sportsman - Masters so the point
is moot for most.  For those flying FAI, I only see how this new rule
matters to those that fly a purely FAI sanctioned event.

One person mentioned that Australia follows the numbering scheme of the FAI
but I also believe that the US has a different circumstance.  Many
countries' pilots have to "prove" that they are capable of FAI before they
get to fly P and F sequences in competition and that's what the majority of
people strive for.  Almost like a "work your way up" competition license.
In the US, many folks have no desire to ever compete in FAI so, the AMA
created the Sportsman-Masters classes which, while they follow the
guidelines of FAI pretty close, make allowances for those that have no
interest in going through to FAI which also allows the potential to attract
new pilots by allowing more weight in some instances or any AMA legal
airplane in the Sportsman class, a small weight increase allowance for
Intermediate and Advanced, etc.

In my opinion, what this boils down to is about 3-5 people having to put
their FAI number on their plane because they will compete internationally.
The Team Trials may be the exception to this but I'm not sure if it even
applies to that.

Scott

*Scott A. McHarg*

Takeoff is optional.  Landing is mandatory!

On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 8:35 AM Joe Lachowski via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

> We are not that independent of the FAI as much as what you may perceive. I
> am an AMA competition board member. When we vote on proposed rules changes
> we do take into consideration what the FAI does. The majority of our rules
> and regulations are very much in line with FAI. At one time they were not.
> We do try to make changes that make sense that will enhance and improve
> competition participation on the regional and national level.
> Unfortunately, our niche in the hobby has become more and more a sport for
> those who can throw money at it. FAI, in my personal opinion, is one of the
> major driving forces to this situation we find ourselves in. The level of
> complexity we have reached has greatly decreased participation in our sport
> along with other distractions in our lives. It is basically a $7-10K
> proposition to have a full blown primary and a backup airframe. Well you
> say build your own airframe to reduce cost? Not everyone has the time or
> building skills required.
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> *From: *Koenig, Tom via NSRCA-discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 8, 2021 10:21 PM
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> *Subject: *Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Model Identification for FAI starting
> in 2022
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> Interesting that the US chose to be independent of the FAI.
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> That has me pondering why that is……
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> I guess it may not be a simple answer, yet probably no different as to why
> for example, there are so many different “standard’ systems in the world.
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> The AMA must obviously feel there is an advantage for its members by
> remaining independent. Could be as simple as the “American Way”??
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> Tom
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> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Model Identification for FAI starting
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> Hi Tom,
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> The AMA is not part of FAI hence we have our own numbers. If an AMA member
> flies in a FAI event, they would have to have an FAI license. All of our
> World Championship team members have FAI licenses.
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> John
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> On Wednesday, September 8, 2021, 07:22:33 PM CDT, Koenig, Tom via
> NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> Hi all,
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> Well certainly in Australia’s case, our National Body, the MAAA sits as
> body, as a member of the FAI (International Governing Body).
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> As a result, every Modeller in Australia, belonging to any club in the
> Nation is issued a Sporting Licence, issued by the FAI, Class F
> Aeromodels-Class S Space Models.
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> These carry our Licence Numbers. In Australia’s case, an AUS##### Number.
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> We have been carrying AUS numbers on our models for Decades. Yes…Decades.
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> Originally we used to carry VH registration numbers. The same as FULL
> SIZE. You can understand why this had to change.
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> So, I assume that the AMA is not registered with the FAI and that the US
> is/has been going it alone? If the AMA is part of the FAI, then why have
> you all not got your FAI sporting Licence? The sporting licence will have
> your number.
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> Tom
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> Behalf Of *sreyher--- via NSRCA-discussion
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> *Cc:* Mark Atwood <atwoodm3141 at gmail.com>
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> All our competitions in the US are AMA except for the world champs.  I do
> not believe it affects us.
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> Sheldon
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> *From: *"Charlie Barrera via NSRCA-discussion" <
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> *To: *"Mark Atwood" <atwoodm3141 at gmail.com>, "General pattern discussion"
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> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 8, 2021 5:56:40 AM
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> Thanks Mark. I’ll pass this on to the board to pass on to our members.
> …Charlie
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> On Sep 7, 2021, at 3:05 PM, Mark Atwood via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> Please read below regarding Plane markings for FAI competitions starting
> in 2022.  Our AMA number is no longer valid for those comps.  We must you
> our FAI issued ID along with USA.
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> *From: *"Peter Uhlig" (via ciam-f3a Mailing List) <ciam-f3a at fai.org>
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> *Subject: [ciam-f3a] FAI ID*
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> *Date: *September 7, 2021 at 3:59:22 PM EDT
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> Dear Subcommittee Members,
> I would like to inform you about a Plenary decision which has been
> published since 2020 and may cause some confusion.
>
> C.11 IDENTIFICATION MARKS
> C.11.1 Class F - Model Aircraft
> a) Model aircraft, except for Indoor Free Flight and Scale, shall carry:
> i) The *national identification mark followed by the FAI Unique ID number*.
> The letters and numbers
> must be at least 25 mm high and appear at least once on each model (on the
> upper surface of
> a wing for Free Flight models).
> Note: The list of the national identification marks (3 letters per
> country) is downloadable from
> “Documents” section of the CIAM website http://www.fai.org/ciam-documents.
> Note: The mandatory carrying of the FAI ID number shall commence in 2022.
>
> During the last years competitors could use National Licence number or FAI
> ID. From 2022 the unique FAI ID is mandatory. Pilots need to display
> Country Code and FAI ID on their planes, if they want to take part in an
> FAI competition.
> National licence number caused a lot of confusion because there sometimes
> were competitors who had more than one. *The FAI ID is unique. *Whenever
> anybody had one, he will have it forever, even if the licence isn't valid.
> Have a look at an example:
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> This is noted in the FAI database about my license valid in 2017:
> <bicgblhcdfgehfie.png>
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> <gegnihdhmejnekgd.png>
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> On my former models I needed GER 384 Country Code+NAC License Number for
> FAI competitons.
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> From 2022 *GER 19233* is necessary. *Country Code+FAI ID. *
>
> May be the NACs will demand to have national numbers on the model for
> national competitions. But everbody who normally has received an FAI
> License, has received it via his national federation. So in my opinion the
> FAI ID may be sufficient for national competitions, too. But this is on
> behalf of the NACs not to complicate the case. They should use the FAI card
> above fro printouts. On some licenses issued by some NACs important FAI ID
> is missing. This should be changed.
>
> Organizers should accept only FAI ID for registration. With an excel file
> with only these numbers, the FAI Jury can check the validity in very easy
> way without entering each name into the database.
>
> Please inform the competition pilots and the organizers in your countries
> to avoid problems at FAI competitions!
>
> Kind regards
> Peter
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