[NSRCA-discussion] Gryo's in Pattern?

[David Cook]

Brings up an interesting point. Should we also now allow FPV? I can see a
tremendous competitive advantage to gyro and FPV.

On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 7:29 PM Vicente Bortone via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

> Good point.
>
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 6:18 PM Peter Vogel <vogel.peter at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Given that you have one in your brain and the seat of your pants, not to
>> mention simple things like a strip of yarn on the windshield to tell you
>> whether your turn is coordinated, altimeters, etc. I'd have to say, the
>> equivalent of a gyro is allowed :-)
>>
>> Peter+
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 4:15 PM Vicente Bortone <vincebrc at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I got a question.  Are gyros allowed in real aerobatics competition?
>>>
>>> Vicente “Vince” Bortone
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 4:29 PM Wayne Galigan via NSRCA-discussion <
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> All this talk about gyros  is making me hungry.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019, 3:46 PM Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion <
>>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On the face of it, I agree with Jon.  That said, I think the same
>>>>> concerns existed in F3C about 5-7 years back, but they started allowing
>>>>> Flybarless system electronics (which are effectively 3D gyros) and their
>>>>> world didn't implode.  From my perspective having flown some Gyro-enabled
>>>>> aircraft (obviously not in competition) the gyro actually buys you VERY
>>>>> little.  It makes the lines smoother, but the geometric challenges,
>>>>> centering, throttle control, etc. all apply and are NOT solved by the
>>>>> gyro.  In fact, some things become significantly harder with a gyro (i.e a
>>>>> stall turn) as the gyro is actively fighting the intended behavior of the
>>>>> plane.  This was also the conclusion, IIRC, of the committee that reviewed
>>>>> whether to allow FBL in F3C.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter+
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 1:01 PM Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <
>>>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This defeats the whole point of the sportsman pattern: to fly
>>>>>> straight lines, establish angles, and to put the plane where you want it,
>>>>>> not where it wants to go. Most sport fliers can't fly a straight line if
>>>>>> their life depends on it. New pattern flyers are amazed when I make them
>>>>>> practice straight and level flight over and over before I left them try
>>>>>> manuevers. After awhile, they see the point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have a guy in our club who flies gyros all the time. When they are
>>>>>> on, he can fly beautiful lines, slow rolls, point rolls, etc. Turn them
>>>>>> off, and he's all over the sky. Sportsman would be won by someone who could
>>>>>> set up their gyros the best, not by someone who had the most control of
>>>>>> their airplane. So basically, intermediate would become the entry point for
>>>>>> pattern. So we'd have to dumb that down so that people could learn to fly
>>>>>> their planes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> On Friday, January 18, 2019 tim pritchett via NSRCA-discussion <
>>>>>> tjpritchett at aol.com; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On the additional subject of gyros/stabilization use in pattern, we
>>>>>> posted a Poll on the D2 facebook page asking:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *So, what would you think about a rules change proposal that allowed
>>>>>> gyros in Sportsman and Intermediate, for any plane below 1.8M (70.9") span,
>>>>>> and length?*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The results  thus far are:
>>>>>> 16 for,
>>>>>> 25 against
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My comment would be that Intermediate is too competitive for this,
>>>>>> and we should/could restrict gyros to Sportsman only in a proposal.  Club
>>>>>> is not an AMA class, so we can already do anything we want there.
>>>>>> Any other comments?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can also join, vote, and comment, or review comments on the page
>>>>>> if you prefer:
>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/NSRCADistrict2/
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