[NSRCA-discussion] Gryo's in Pattern?

[Wayne Galigan]

All this talk about gyros  is making me hungry.

On Fri, Jan 18, 2019, 3:46 PM Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org wrote:

> On the face of it, I agree with Jon.  That said, I think the same concerns
> existed in F3C about 5-7 years back, but they started allowing Flybarless
> system electronics (which are effectively 3D gyros) and their world didn't
> implode.  From my perspective having flown some Gyro-enabled aircraft
> (obviously not in competition) the gyro actually buys you VERY little.  It
> makes the lines smoother, but the geometric challenges, centering, throttle
> control, etc. all apply and are NOT solved by the gyro.  In fact, some
> things become significantly harder with a gyro (i.e a stall turn) as the
> gyro is actively fighting the intended behavior of the plane.  This was
> also the conclusion, IIRC, of the committee that reviewed whether to allow
> FBL in F3C.
>
> Peter+
>
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 1:01 PM Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
>> This defeats the whole point of the sportsman pattern: to fly straight
>> lines, establish angles, and to put the plane where you want it, not where
>> it wants to go. Most sport fliers can't fly a straight line if their life
>> depends on it. New pattern flyers are amazed when I make them practice
>> straight and level flight over and over before I left them try manuevers.
>> After awhile, they see the point.
>>
>> We have a guy in our club who flies gyros all the time. When they are on,
>> he can fly beautiful lines, slow rolls, point rolls, etc. Turn them off,
>> and he's all over the sky. Sportsman would be won by someone who could set
>> up their gyros the best, not by someone who had the most control of their
>> airplane. So basically, intermediate would become the entry point for
>> pattern. So we'd have to dumb that down so that people could learn to fly
>> their planes.
>>
>> Jon
>> ------------------------------
>> On Friday, January 18, 2019 tim pritchett via NSRCA-discussion <
>> tjpritchett at aol.com; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>> On the additional subject of gyros/stabilization use in pattern, we
>> posted a Poll on the D2 facebook page asking:
>>
>> *So, what would you think about a rules change proposal that allowed
>> gyros in Sportsman and Intermediate, for any plane below 1.8M (70.9") span,
>> and length?*
>>
>> The results  thus far are:
>> 16 for,
>> 25 against
>>
>> My comment would be that Intermediate is too competitive for this, and we
>> should/could restrict gyros to Sportsman only in a proposal.  Club is not
>> an AMA class, so we can already do anything we want there.
>> Any other comments?
>>
>> You can also join, vote, and comment, or review comments on the page if
>> you prefer:
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/NSRCADistrict2/
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