[NSRCA-discussion] Gryo's in Pattern?

[Peter Vogel]

On the face of it, I agree with Jon.  That said, I think the same concerns
existed in F3C about 5-7 years back, but they started allowing Flybarless
system electronics (which are effectively 3D gyros) and their world didn't
implode.  From my perspective having flown some Gyro-enabled aircraft
(obviously not in competition) the gyro actually buys you VERY little.  It
makes the lines smoother, but the geometric challenges, centering, throttle
control, etc. all apply and are NOT solved by the gyro.  In fact, some
things become significantly harder with a gyro (i.e a stall turn) as the
gyro is actively fighting the intended behavior of the plane.  This was
also the conclusion, IIRC, of the committee that reviewed whether to allow
FBL in F3C.

Peter+

On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 1:01 PM Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

> This defeats the whole point of the sportsman pattern: to fly straight
> lines, establish angles, and to put the plane where you want it, not where
> it wants to go. Most sport fliers can't fly a straight line if their life
> depends on it. New pattern flyers are amazed when I make them practice
> straight and level flight over and over before I left them try manuevers.
> After awhile, they see the point.
>
> We have a guy in our club who flies gyros all the time. When they are on,
> he can fly beautiful lines, slow rolls, point rolls, etc. Turn them off,
> and he's all over the sky. Sportsman would be won by someone who could set
> up their gyros the best, not by someone who had the most control of their
> airplane. So basically, intermediate would become the entry point for
> pattern. So we'd have to dumb that down so that people could learn to fly
> their planes.
>
> Jon
> ------------------------------
> On Friday, January 18, 2019 tim pritchett via NSRCA-discussion <
> tjpritchett at aol.com; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
> On the additional subject of gyros/stabilization use in pattern, we posted
> a Poll on the D2 facebook page asking:
>
> *So, what would you think about a rules change proposal that allowed gyros
> in Sportsman and Intermediate, for any plane below 1.8M (70.9") span, and
> length?*
>
> The results  thus far are:
> 16 for,
> 25 against
>
> My comment would be that Intermediate is too competitive for this, and we
> should/could restrict gyros to Sportsman only in a proposal.  Club is not
> an AMA class, so we can already do anything we want there.
> Any other comments?
>
> You can also join, vote, and comment, or review comments on the page if
> you prefer:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/NSRCADistrict2/
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