[NSRCA-discussion] The FAA s Remote ID Proposal for Drones is Here!

Fri Dec 27 05:54:32 AKST 2019

Just like in school when the entire class was punished for the bad behavior
of one or two idiots

On Fri, Dec 27, 2019, 7:43 AM Michael Cohen via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

> Well, reading through the FAA Proposal, it is nice to see our fixed flying
> sites will (likely) be recognized and therefore exempted.  I still would
> like to see the Class G airspace (and others) altitude restriction settle
> down to be what we already have prior to all this crap.  It also seems the
> days of flying at the local schoolyard or park would be a goner.  Heading
> down to a nearby lake for some quick float flying looks to be over too.
> With a 400 ft radius restriction on limited remote ID, can’t use that for
> local flying.  Complying with the standard remote ID will be difficult
> and/or expensive for existing equipment.  Maybe technology over time will
> make it viable.
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> As always, I like the part about law enforcement and people using drones
> for nefarious purposes.  Remote ID won’t help there.  First this the “bad
> guy” will disable or bypass is that tracking system.  Seems to me we are
> being punished for the idiots of the world out there and the possible
> criminal element that has not yet surfaced.
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> Regards,
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> Mike C
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> *From: *Andrew S. Collins via NSRCA-discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Sent: *Thursday, December 26, 2019 6:59 PM
> *To: *Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>; General pattern discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The FAA s Remote ID Proposal for Drones
> is Here!
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> There is a page on the AMA website about today’s email, here is the first
> paragraph
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> AMA Update on FAA Remote ID Proposal
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> Dear members,
>
> The FAA released its proposed rule on remote identification (remote ID) on
> December 26, 2019.  AMA has been advocating for our hobby throughout the
> remote ID rule process to include voting privileges as a member of the
> Remote ID Aviation Rulemaking Committee.  We are reviewing this notice of
> proposed rulemaking on remote ID, however, an early read indicates that
> some of our proposals were accepted,* i**ncluding not requiring onboard
> equipage for our members at our flying sites.* Please look for future
> communications from AMA as we review the entire proposed rule. Because this
> is not a final rule, we will likely ask for our members to help us shape
> the ultimate regulation by participating and providing comments and
> feedback to the FAA.
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> here is a link to that page on the AMA site
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> https://amablog.modelaircraft.org/amagov/2019/12/26/ama-update-on-remote-id-proposal/
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> andy
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> On Dec 26, 2019, at 5:03 PM, Bob Kane via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> After having thought about it for a bit, I suppose a radio manufacturer
> could produce a transmitter/receiver pair that would comply (assuming a
> WiFi internet connection was available). The RX would have the serial
> number complying with the FAA requirements.
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> I don't know if any current radios could/would comply, but I am sure the
> Airtronics SD-10G that I use for pattern would not.
>
> Bob Kane getterflash at yahoo.com
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> On Thursday, December 26, 2019, 5:29:05 PM EST, Bob Kane via
> NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> For example . . what does this mean to the scratch/kit builder?
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> "The serial number provided during registration or re-registration would
> have to be issued by the producer of the unmanned aircraft and comply with
> the ANSI/CTA-2063-A serial number standard."
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> Bob Kane getterflash at yahoo.com
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> On Thursday, December 26, 2019, 4:15:46 PM EST, Monte Richard via
> NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> Oops, my old eyes misses that decimal.
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> On Dec 26, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Anthony Romano <anthonyr105 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
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> That is 0.55 lbs. We are required to register with the FAA
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> The proposed Remote I.D. rule would apply to all drones that are required
> to register with the FAA
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> *From:* NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on
> behalf of Monte Richard via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 26, 2019 3:10 PM
> *To:* Curt Oberg <obergc at cox.net>; General pattern discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: The FAAs Remote ID Proposal for
> Drones is Here!
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> This is for commercial drones, it states near the bottom that recreational
> drones under 55lbs don’t require it.
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> On Dec 26, 2019, at 12:41 PM, Curt Oberg via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> I can't imagine that this is good news for us.
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> Curt Oberg
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> With nearly 1.5 million drones and 155,000 remote pilots registered with
> the FAA, the ability to provide identification and location is essential to
> keeping drones safely separated from other aircraft operating in our
> airspace.
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> We encourage drone enthusiasts, and anyone interested in aviation safety,
> to read our Notice of Proposed Rulemaking
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> in the *Federal Register*. In the next few days, a 60-day comment period
> will open to receive your feedback which can help us develop a final rule
> that enhances safety and security in our nation’s skies.
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> “Drones are the fastest growing segment of transportation in our nation
> and it is vitally important that they are safely integrated into the
> national airspace,” said U.S. Transportation Secretary Elaine L. Chao.
>
> “As a pilot, my eye is always on safety first,” said FAA Administrator
> Steve Dickson. “Safety is a joint responsibility between government,
> pilots, the drone community, the general public and many others who make
> our nation so creative and innovative.”
>
> Equipping drones with remote identification technologies would build on
> previous steps taken by the FAA and the UAS industry to safely integrate
> operations, including thesmall UAS rule
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> which covers drones weighing less than 55 pounds other than model aircraft,
> and theLow Altitude Authorization and Notification Capability (LAANC)
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> which automates the application and approval process for drone operators to
> obtain airspace authorizations.
>
> These efforts are the foundation for more complex operations, such as
> beyond visual line of sight at low altitudes, as we move toward a traffic
> management ecosystem for drone flights separate from, but complementary to,
> our air traffic management system.
>
> The proposed Remote I.D. rule would apply to all drones that arerequired
> to register with the FAA
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