[NSRCA-discussion] The FAAs Remote ID Proposal for Drones is Here!

[Michael Cohen]

Well, reading through the FAA Proposal, it is nice to see our fixed flying sites will (likely) be recognized and therefore exempted.  I still would like to see the Class G airspace (and others) altitude restriction settle down to be what we already have prior to all this crap.  It also seems the days of flying at the local schoolyard or park would be a goner.  Heading down to a nearby lake for some quick float flying looks to be over too.  With a 400 ft radius restriction on limited remote ID, can’t use that for local flying.  Complying with the standard remote ID will be difficult and/or expensive for existing equipment.  Maybe technology over time will make it viable.

As always, I like the part about law enforcement and people using drones for nefarious purposes.  Remote ID won’t help there.  First this the “bad guy” will disable or bypass is that tracking system.  Seems to me we are being punished for the idiots of the world out there and the possible criminal element that has not yet surfaced.

Regards,
Mike C

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There is a page on the AMA website about today’s email, here is the first paragraph

AMA Update on FAA Remote ID Proposal
Dear members,
The FAA released its proposed rule on remote identification (remote ID) on December 26, 2019.  AMA has been advocating for our hobby throughout the remote ID rule process to include voting privileges as a member of the Remote ID Aviation Rulemaking Committee.  We are reviewing this notice of proposed rulemaking on remote ID, however, an early read indicates that some of our proposals were accepted, including not requiring onboard equipage for our members at our flying sites. Please look for future communications from AMA as we review the entire proposed rule. Because this is not a final rule, we will likely ask for our members to help us shape the ultimate regulation by participating and providing comments and feedback to the FAA.
here is a link to that page on the AMA site
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andy




On Dec 26, 2019, at 5:03 PM, Bob Kane via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:

After having thought about it for a bit, I suppose a radio manufacturer could produce a transmitter/receiver pair that would comply (assuming a WiFi internet connection was available). The RX would have the serial number complying with the FAA requirements.

I don't know if any current radios could/would comply, but I am sure the Airtronics SD-10G that I use for pattern would not.

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On Thursday, December 26, 2019, 5:29:05 PM EST, Bob Kane via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:


For example . . what does this mean to the scratch/kit builder?

"The serial number provided during registration or re-registration would have to be issued by the producer of the unmanned aircraft and comply with the ANSI/CTA-2063-A serial number standard."

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On Thursday, December 26, 2019, 4:15:46 PM EST, Monte Richard via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:


Oops, my old eyes misses that decimal.
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On Dec 26, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Anthony Romano <anthonyr105 at hotmail.com<mailto:anthonyr105 at hotmail.com>> wrote:

That is 0.55 lbs. We are required to register with the FAA

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To: Curt Oberg <obergc at cox.net<mailto:obergc at cox.net>>; General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: The FAAs Remote ID Proposal for Drones is Here!

This is for commercial drones, it states near the bottom that recreational drones under 55lbs don’t require it.
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On Dec 26, 2019, at 12:41 PM, Curt Oberg via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:

I can't imagine that this is good news for us.
Curt Oberg


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With nearly 1.5 million drones and 155,000 remote pilots registered with the FAA, the ability to provide identification and location is essential to keeping drones safely separated from other aircraft operating in our airspace.
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“Drones are the fastest growing segment of transportation in our nation and it is vitally important that they are safely integrated into the national airspace,” said U.S. Transportation Secretary Elaine L. Chao.
“As a pilot, my eye is always on safety first,” said FAA Administrator Steve Dickson. “Safety is a joint responsibility between government, pilots, the drone community, the general public and many others who make our nation so creative and innovative.”
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These efforts are the foundation for more complex operations, such as beyond visual line of sight at low altitudes, as we move toward a traffic management ecosystem for drone flights separate from, but complementary to, our air traffic management system.
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