[NSRCA-discussion] F3A World Result
Derek Koopowitz
derekkoopowitz at gmail.com
Mon Nov 13 12:25:15 AKST 2017
Kevin,
The point of that rule was to level the playing field, so to speak, so that
a Junior WC could still defend their title at the next WC. That was never
the case in the 3 prior WCs - the Junior category was added to the WCs in
2011. Also, the Jury can't make a decision for everyone - they can only
impact the WC in progress. Now, if a rule change is needed, or a
clarification needs to be made going forward, based on the decision of the
Jury at a WC (based on a protest), then this type of issue needs to be
raised at the F3A Sub-committee level, and once there is agreement there
then it should be voted and accepted at the Bureau level. If a
clarification is made then it needs to be official and the wording needs to
be changed to address it.
BTW, I'm all for increasing the exposure of young people to the sport at
the highest level.
-Derek
On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Kevin Young via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
> Derek, I know this may not be your intent but how I read the rule is
> basically as a two part statement with
>
>
> a) The reigning Junior World or Junior Continental Champion has the
> right (subject to the approval of his National Airsports Control) to
> participate in the next World or Continental Championships in that category
> regardless of whether he qualifies for the national team or not, and
> provided that he will still be a junior pilot when the next World or
> Continental Championships are held
>
>
> b) *If he is not a member of the national team*, his score will not be
> considered in the team results. (I think the underlined section can be read
> as the catch to the wording of the rule)
>
> The b portion allowing him to compete but not as an official Team
> participant like QuiQue did in Portugal.
>
> my other thought is why on earth you would want to limit a young persons
> exposure to competition in an industry and sport that is severely lacking
> youth!
>
> Kevin Young
>
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> *From:* NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on
> behalf of Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2017 1:45 PM
> *To:* Don Ramsey; 'General pattern discussion'
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3A World Result
>
> That is not the intent of the rule and I should know because I wrote it.
> Here is the rule:
>
> d) The reigning Junior World or Junior Continental Champion has the right
> (subject to the approval of his National Airsports Control) to participate
> in the next World or Continental Championships in that category regardless
> of whether he qualifies for the national team or not, and provided that he
> will still be a junior pilot when the next World or Continental
> Championships are held. If he is not a member of the national team, his
> score will not be considered in the team results.
>
> The key words here are "and provided that he will still be a junior pilot
> when the next World or Continental Championships are held. Also, the first
> sentence states "participate in the next World or Continental Championships
> in that category" - the category is Junior.
>
> I don't know where the ambiguity comes in.
>
>
> On 11/13/17, 10:22 AM, "Don Ramsey" <donramsey at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Derek, according to the jury he can return as an individual if he is
> over 18 but would not be part of the team. So, could have 5 US entrants
> but only 4 team members.
>
> Don
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On
> Behalf Of Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 10:38 AM
> To: Jas S; NSRCA List; Bob Kane
> Cc: MarkAtwood
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3A World Result
>
> Provided he will be 18 or younger in 2019. Will he?
>
> On 11/12/17, 5:50 PM, "NSRCA-discussion on behalf of Jas S via
> NSRCA-discussion" <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org on behalf of
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> He already gets a free pass to Italy for being reigning Jr.
> Champion (according to the rules)
>
> Jas iP
>
> > On Nov 12, 2017, at 8:21 PM, Bob Kane via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
> >
> > And an amazing team effort I must say !!!!!! Looks like Joseph
> is ready for the 2019 team without the Junior status.
> >
> > Bob Kane getterflash at yahoo.com
> >
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Sun, 11/12/17, Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
> >
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3A World Result
> > To: "Bill Harden" <flyinbill1 at bellsouth.net>
> > Cc: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.
> org>
> > Date: Sunday, November 12, 2017, 3:19 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Onda
> > CPLR
> > Shulman
> > Jesky
> > Bruckman
> > Lassi (Finland)
> > Kaiser
> > Szczur
> > Glenn
> > Trumpp
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 12, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Bill Harden <
> flyinbill1 at bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
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> > Would someone please tell
> > me the final result? Thanks.
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