[NSRCA-discussion] F3A World Result

Mon Nov 13 12:17:15 AKST 2017

I think I agree with Derek. As much as I would like Joseph  to be an automatic invite I don't think he would qualify for the invite if he has aged out of Jr. status.

I don't see any ambiguity either. Rules are as written not what we wish they were. "in that category" seems pretty clear to me.

I guess the rules will be what the FAI officials say they are.

Dave

From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Young via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 3:18 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3A World Result

Derek, I know this may not be your intent but how I read the rule is basically as a two part statement with 

a)  The reigning Junior World or Junior Continental Champion has the right (subject to the approval of his National Airsports Control) to participate in the next World or Continental Championships in that category regardless of whether he qualifies for the national team or not, and provided that he will still be a junior pilot when the next World or Continental Championships are held

b)  If he is not a member of the national team, his score will not be considered in the team results. (I think the underlined section can be read as the catch to the wording of the rule) 

The b portion allowing him to compete but not as an official  Team participant like QuiQue did in Portugal.

my other thought is why on earth you would want to limit a young persons exposure to competition in an industry and sport that is severely lacking youth! 

Kevin Young

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From: NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on behalf of Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 1:45 PM
To: Don Ramsey; 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3A World Result 

That is not the intent of the rule and I should know because I wrote it.  Here is the rule:

d)  The reigning Junior World or Junior Continental Champion has the right (subject to the approval of his National Airsports Control) to participate in the next World or Continental Championships in that category regardless of whether he qualifies for the national team or not, and provided that he will still be a junior pilot when the next World or Continental Championships are held.  If he is not a member of the national team, his score will not be considered in the team results.

The key words here are "and provided that he will still be a junior pilot when the next World or Continental Championships are held.  Also, the first sentence states "participate in the next World or Continental Championships in that category" - the category is Junior.

I don't know where the ambiguity comes in.

On 11/13/17, 10:22 AM, "Don Ramsey" <donramsey at gmail.com> wrote:

    Derek, according to the jury he can return as an individual if he is over 18 but would not be part of the team.  So, could have 5 US entrants but only 4 team members.

    Don

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    From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion
    Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 10:38 AM
    To: Jas S; NSRCA List; Bob Kane
    Cc: MarkAtwood
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3A World Result

    Provided he will be 18 or younger in 2019.  Will he?

    On 11/12/17, 5:50 PM, "NSRCA-discussion on behalf of Jas S via NSRCA-discussion" <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org on behalf of nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org%20on%20behalf%20of%20nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> > wrote:

        He already gets a free pass to Italy for being reigning Jr. Champion (according to the rules)

        Jas iP

        > On Nov 12, 2017, at 8:21 PM, Bob Kane via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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        > And an amazing team effort I must say !!!!!!  Looks like Joseph is ready for the 2019 team without the Junior status.
        > 
        > Bob Kane getterflash at yahoo.com
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        > On Sun, 11/12/17, Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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        > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] F3A World Result
        > To: "Bill Harden" <flyinbill1 at bellsouth.net>
        > Cc: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
        > Date: Sunday, November 12, 2017, 3:19 PM
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        > On Nov 12, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Bill Harden <flyinbill1 at bellsouth.net>
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