[NSRCA-discussion] Proposed Advanced

[John Gayer]

 From the guide in the Advanced section:

Maximum of two positive snap rolls. Exception is Avalanches which are 
optionally positive or
negative.

So you should never see a requirement for a negative snap roll in Advanced

John

On 7/10/2017 1:38 PM, S. McNickle via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
>
> I guess it's just another skill to learn as we move up.
>
>
> Scott
>
>> On July 10, 2017 at 1:58 PM rixsweeney--- via NSRCA-discussion 
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>
>> Negative snaps are always slightly more difficult to get the timing 
>> right and to do consistently than positive ones when you are first 
>> learning to do them. Typically you’re a little late on getting out of 
>> the elevator on a negative snap. The stick movement never feels as 
>> natural on a negative than it does on a positive snap.
>>
>> Negative snaps to the left are more difficult for me than too the 
>> right. Your usually slightly faster at getting in and out of the 
>> corners when moving to the outer corners than inner ones. Once you 
>> have done a few hundred both ways (right & left) there is not much 
>> difference from an inside/outside snap, but it took me longer to get 
>> consistent negative snaps than positive ones.
>>
>> I wonder if its different for someone who right or left handed? I am 
>> right handed and my right hand is always slightly quicker than my 
>> left and is probably why snaps to the left is more difficult for me 
>> than to the right.
>>
>> This has been my experience with snaps after two seasons flying 
>> Masters.  If you fly Intermediate try and get them in your practice 
>> routine and you will be a little more comfortable with them when 
>> moving to Advanced and Masters.
>>
>> Rick
>>
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>> *From: *S. McNickle via NSRCA-discussion 
>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> *Sent: *Monday, July 10, 2017 1:16 PM
>> *To: *General pattern discussion 
>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>; Peter Vogel 
>> <mailto:vogel.peter at gmail.com>; Verne Koester <mailto:verne at mi.rr.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed Advanced
>>
>> In my experience, and that of my Master's Class buddy Bill, negative 
>> snaps are different and more difficult to get right.
>>
>> Not sure why, but they are.
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> D4
>>
>>     On July 10, 2017 at 1:07 PM Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion
>>     <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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>>     I actually very much like the new intermediate sequence
>>     particularly because it adds 4 point roll elements, which helps
>>     to bridge the difficulty gap between intermediate and advanced.
>>
>>     Quite frankly, from a snap roll perspective, I'm not sure how
>>     negative and positive are different other than which corners I
>>     need to bury my sticks into...
>>
>>     Peter+
>>
>>     On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 9:44 AM, Verne Koester via
>>     NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>     <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
>>
>>         There hasn't been much said about the proposed Advanced
>>         schedule. It appears to me to be an improvement and more
>>         appropriate skill level schedule than the current one with
>>         one exception.
>>         We rarely hear from existing Intermediate pilots on Advanced
>>         schedule proposals. I suspect that's mostly because they have
>>         no experience yet in the skills they'll have to gain once
>>         they move up. Those of us who have taken that step need to
>>         consider what they're facing.
>>         So if I'm an Intermediate pilot moving up to Advanced, I'm
>>         going to have to learn, having never done them before, the
>>         slow roll, 4-point roll, snap, and spin. I'd argue that this
>>         is the single hardest transition in pattern.
>>         Now we're going to throw a negative snap in for good measure?????
>>         COME ON, MAN!!!!
>>
>>         Verne Koester
>>
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