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    From the guide in the Advanced section:<br>
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    <font color="#000000">Maximum of two positive snap rolls. Exception
      is Avalanches which are optionally positive or<br>
      negative.</font><br>
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    So you should never see a requirement for a negative snap roll in
    Advanced<br>
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    John<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/10/2017 1:38 PM, S. McNickle via
      NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br>
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      <p>I guess it's just another skill to learn as we move up.</p>
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      <p>Scott</p>
      <blockquote type="cite">On July 10, 2017 at 1:58 PM rixsweeney---
        via NSRCA-discussion <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a>
        wrote:<br>
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          <p class="ox-96974054c7-MsoNormal">Negative snaps are always
            slightly more difficult to get the timing right and to do
            consistently than positive ones when you are first learning
            to do them. Typically you’re a little late on getting out of
            the elevator on a negative snap. The stick movement never
            feels as natural on a negative than it does on a positive
            snap.</p>
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          <p class="ox-96974054c7-MsoNormal">Negative snaps to the left
            are more difficult for me than too the right. Your usually
            slightly faster at getting in and out of the corners when
            moving to the outer corners than inner ones. Once you have
            done a few hundred both ways (right & left) there is not
            much difference from an inside/outside snap, but it took me
            longer to get consistent negative snaps than positive ones.</p>
          <p class="ox-96974054c7-MsoNormal"> </p>
          <p class="ox-96974054c7-MsoNormal">I wonder if its different
            for someone who right or left handed? I am right handed and
            my right hand is always slightly quicker than my left and is
            probably why snaps to the left is more difficult for me than
            to the right.</p>
          <p class="ox-96974054c7-MsoNormal"> </p>
          <p class="ox-96974054c7-MsoNormal">This has been my experience
            with snaps after two seasons flying Masters.  If you fly
            Intermediate try and get them in your practice routine and
            you will be a little more comfortable with them when moving
            to Advanced and Masters.  </p>
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          <p class="ox-96974054c7-MsoNormal">Rick</p>
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          <p class="ox-96974054c7-MsoNormal">Sent from <a
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              moz-do-not-send="true">Mail</a> for Windows 10</p>
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            <p class="ox-96974054c7-MsoNormal" style="border: none;
              padding: 0in;"><strong>From: </strong><a
                href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
                moz-do-not-send="true">S. McNickle via NSRCA-discussion</a><br>
              <strong>Sent: </strong>Monday, July 10, 2017 1:16 PM<br>
              <strong>To: </strong><a
                href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
                moz-do-not-send="true">General pattern discussion</a>; <a
                href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com"
                moz-do-not-send="true">Peter Vogel</a>; <a
                href="mailto:verne@mi.rr.com" moz-do-not-send="true">Verne
                Koester</a><br>
              <strong>Subject: </strong>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed
              Advanced</p>
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          <p>In my experience, and that of my Master's Class buddy Bill,
            negative snaps are different and more difficult to get
            right.</p>
          <p>Not sure why, but they are.</p>
          <p> </p>
          <p>Scott,</p>
          <p>D4</p>
          <p> </p>
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            <p class="ox-96974054c7-MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:
              12.0pt;">On July 10, 2017 at 1:07 PM Peter Vogel via
              NSRCA-discussion <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a>
              wrote:</p>
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              <p class="ox-96974054c7-MsoNormal">I actually very much
                like the new intermediate sequence particularly because
                it adds 4 point roll elements, which helps to bridge the
                difficulty gap between intermediate and advanced.  </p>
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                <p class="ox-96974054c7-MsoNormal">Quite frankly, from a
                  snap roll perspective, I'm not sure how negative and
                  positive are different other than which corners I need
                  to bury my sticks into...</p>
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                <p class="ox-96974054c7-MsoNormal">Peter+</p>
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                <p class="ox-96974054c7-MsoNormal">On Sat, Jul 8, 2017
                  at 9:44 AM, Verne Koester via NSRCA-discussion <<a
                    href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
                  wrote:</p>
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                  <p class="ox-96974054c7-MsoNormal">There hasn't been
                    much said about the proposed Advanced schedule. It
                    appears to me to be an improvement and more
                    appropriate skill level schedule than the current
                    one with one exception.<br>
                    We rarely hear from existing Intermediate pilots on
                    Advanced schedule proposals. I suspect that's mostly
                    because they have no experience yet in the skills
                    they'll have to gain once they move up. Those of us
                    who have taken that step need to consider what
                    they're facing.<br>
                    So if I'm an Intermediate pilot moving up to
                    Advanced, I'm going to have to learn, having never
                    done them before, the slow roll, 4-point roll, snap,
                    and spin. I'd argue that this is the single hardest
                    transition in pattern.<br>
                    Now we're going to throw a negative snap in for good
                    measure?????<br>
                    COME ON, MAN!!!!<br>
                    <br>
                    Verne Koester<br>
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