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From the guide in the Advanced section:<br>
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<font color="#000000">Maximum of two positive snap rolls. Exception
is Avalanches which are optionally positive or<br>
negative.</font><br>
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So you should never see a requirement for a negative snap roll in
Advanced<br>
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John<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/10/2017 1:38 PM, S. McNickle via
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<p>I guess it's just another skill to learn as we move up.</p>
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<p>Scott</p>
<blockquote type="cite">On July 10, 2017 at 1:58 PM rixsweeney---
via NSRCA-discussion <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a>
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<p class="ox-96974054c7-MsoNormal">Negative snaps are always
slightly more difficult to get the timing right and to do
consistently than positive ones when you are first learning
to do them. Typically you’re a little late on getting out of
the elevator on a negative snap. The stick movement never
feels as natural on a negative than it does on a positive
snap.</p>
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<p class="ox-96974054c7-MsoNormal">Negative snaps to the left
are more difficult for me than too the right. Your usually
slightly faster at getting in and out of the corners when
moving to the outer corners than inner ones. Once you have
done a few hundred both ways (right & left) there is not
much difference from an inside/outside snap, but it took me
longer to get consistent negative snaps than positive ones.</p>
<p class="ox-96974054c7-MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="ox-96974054c7-MsoNormal">I wonder if its different
for someone who right or left handed? I am right handed and
my right hand is always slightly quicker than my left and is
probably why snaps to the left is more difficult for me than
to the right.</p>
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<p class="ox-96974054c7-MsoNormal">This has been my experience
with snaps after two seasons flying Masters. If you fly
Intermediate try and get them in your practice routine and
you will be a little more comfortable with them when moving
to Advanced and Masters. </p>
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<p class="ox-96974054c7-MsoNormal">Rick</p>
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padding: 0in;"><strong>From: </strong><a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">S. McNickle via NSRCA-discussion</a><br>
<strong>Sent: </strong>Monday, July 10, 2017 1:16 PM<br>
<strong>To: </strong><a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">General pattern discussion</a>; <a
href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Peter Vogel</a>; <a
href="mailto:verne@mi.rr.com" moz-do-not-send="true">Verne
Koester</a><br>
<strong>Subject: </strong>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed
Advanced</p>
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<p>In my experience, and that of my Master's Class buddy Bill,
negative snaps are different and more difficult to get
right.</p>
<p>Not sure why, but they are.</p>
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<p>Scott,</p>
<p>D4</p>
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12.0pt;">On July 10, 2017 at 1:07 PM Peter Vogel via
NSRCA-discussion <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a>
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<p class="ox-96974054c7-MsoNormal">I actually very much
like the new intermediate sequence particularly because
it adds 4 point roll elements, which helps to bridge the
difficulty gap between intermediate and advanced. </p>
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<p class="ox-96974054c7-MsoNormal">Quite frankly, from a
snap roll perspective, I'm not sure how negative and
positive are different other than which corners I need
to bury my sticks into...</p>
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<p class="ox-96974054c7-MsoNormal">Peter+</p>
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<p class="ox-96974054c7-MsoNormal">On Sat, Jul 8, 2017
at 9:44 AM, Verne Koester via NSRCA-discussion <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
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<p class="ox-96974054c7-MsoNormal">There hasn't been
much said about the proposed Advanced schedule. It
appears to me to be an improvement and more
appropriate skill level schedule than the current
one with one exception.<br>
We rarely hear from existing Intermediate pilots on
Advanced schedule proposals. I suspect that's mostly
because they have no experience yet in the skills
they'll have to gain once they move up. Those of us
who have taken that step need to consider what
they're facing.<br>
So if I'm an Intermediate pilot moving up to
Advanced, I'm going to have to learn, having never
done them before, the slow roll, 4-point roll, snap,
and spin. I'd argue that this is the single hardest
transition in pattern.<br>
Now we're going to throw a negative snap in for good
measure?????<br>
COME ON, MAN!!!!<br>
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Verne Koester<br>
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