[NSRCA-discussion] New Masters Sequence

[Jon Lowe]

We've seen that the FAI catalog is inconsistent in applying Kfactors. In the original masters proposal, the double key was a K5, while a much simpler version in FAI advanced is also a K5. Both cannot be K5's. The one in the original masters is really a K6.

Jon

On Friday, July 7, 2017 Ed Alt via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

Yep



From: NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on behalf of Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 9:33 PM
To: Stuart Chale
Cc: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Masters Sequence 

 

Well, there's the problem. The Sequence Committee is supposed to be creating patterns using the Sequence Development Guide, not the F3A catalog. So it should be using K-Factors from the Guide. 


Tony Frackowiak


On Jul 7, 2017, at 6:19 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:


Some of the K factors like the knife edge roll are taken from the FAI catalog.  

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 7, 2017, at 8:38 PM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

Both of the cross box maneuvers have no options to stay in line.  


Every Square Vertical 8 in the current Guide has a K of 5. Why would this one be a 4? 


Downwind KE Golf Ball is still a poor choice and should have a K of 5. 


The KE flight with 1 1/4 rolls without some definition of the length of the KE will end up being two 1 1/4 rolls. Plus simple KE flight in the current Guide is a K4. Why should this be a K4 with the addition of two 1 1/4 rolls? Should be a 5. 


Two rolls reversed in the Current Guide is a K4. The elimination of the pause makes this a more difficult maneuver yet it stays at K4? Should at least be a 5.


I'm sorry, but in my opinion this needs a fresh piece of paper and start over. Start by making the composition of the Sequence Committee according to the Charter.


Tony Frackowiak


On Jul 7, 2017, at 4:35 PM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion wrote:


Let's try this one.


 ManeuverKFExit
Change maneuver to:New Knew exit1Takeoff1   1  2 Double Immelman with Knife Edge Flight inside loop then outside loop 5 Upright UTriangle Loop from top, 1/2 rolls on 45's, 1 1/2 snap on top leg, 5 inverted 3 1/2 Loop with Integrated 1/2 Roll 3 Upright TA 2 1/2 turn inverted spin 3 inverted 4Triangle Loop from top, 1/2 rolls on 45's, 1 1/2 snap on top leg 5 inverted D Double Immelman with Knife Edge Flight outside loop then inside loop 5 upright5 1/2 Square Loop with Snap Roll in down track 4 Upright TA Top Hat, 3 of 4 Roll up, 3/4 Roll down 2 inverted6 Six-sided Loop, 2 of 4 Rolls in leg 2, two 1/4 Rolls opposite in leg 44 inverted U Six-sided Loop, 2 of 4 Rolls in leg 2 and 4 4 inverted 7Humpty Bump with Roll Options, 2 of 2 Roll up, Full Roll down; or 3/4 Roll up and down 3 Upright TAStall Turn with two 1/4 Rolls down 2 upright 8 Knife Edge Flight with 1 ¼ Roll in and out 4 inverted D Knife Edge Flight with 1 ¼ Roll in and out 4 upright9Stall Turn with two 1/4 Rolls opposite up, 1/2 Roll down 3 Upright TAStall Turn with two 1/4 Rolls  up, 1/2 Roll down 3 upright 10Vertical Cuban 8 with 1/2 Roll, Full Roll 4 Inverted U Vertical square 8 from bottom,  full roll at mid-level, 1/2 roll 2nd mid-level 4 inverted11Trombone with Roll 2 Upright TA reverse shark, snap on 45 4 upright12 Golf Ball with 3/4 Rolls and Knife Edge Loop 4 Upright D Golf Ball with 1/4 Rolls and Knife Edge Loop 4 inverted 13 Top Hat, 3 of 4 Roll up, 3/4 Roll down 2 Upright TA Humpty Bump push top, 3/4 Roll up and down 2 upright14 Figure Z with 4 of 8 Roll in 454 Inverted U   4   15 Inverted 2-turn Spin  2 Upright TA 1/2 square loop with full roll 2 upright 16 Two Slow Rolls opposite, no hesitation 4 Upright D   4  17 Stall turn with half rolls up and down 2 Upright TA   2   18 Loop with Integrated Roll in top 1805 Upright U   5   19 Landing 1       1                     Total K-factor 62       61   

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