[NSRCA-discussion] Website update

Sat Jan 21 09:14:16 AKST 2017

To all,

In general, I am not going to get into explaining all my thoughts regarding
how the nats is going to be run and what my philosophy is regarding some of
the rational.  However, let me make some points here.  Last year there were
9 intermediates and 12 advanced.  They had equal exposure every day.  To do
a finals is not justified on that basis alone.  The added complexity and
work is not justified.  Not going to change that. 

Regarding Sportsman, it is supposed to be an "introductory class" but of
course there are flyers living there.  Its intent was to show new flyers how
a contest works, what it is like, what it feels like to fly in it. An
educational process.  If they fly once or twice and they like it then they
need to learn the intermediate class, have an airplane that qualifies,
practice a little bit, and enter a contest.

That was the spirit and intent of Sportsman.  That is the philosophy I will
live by.  We plan to do things to make this a good and memorable time for
them.  

I encourage and welcome all your thoughts and comments.  All will be
considered.

It is important to me to make this a quality memorable event. however, I am
going to greatly limit my time on the general discussion list.  

Thanks 

Mike

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John,
I see what you mean.
I'm not sure why no one ( including me) has submitted a rule change to take
Sportsman out of the supplemental class. How many years have we included
Sportsman at most or all local contests? Why do we need a designation which
defines Sportsman as a class whose only difference is that it is
specifically excluded from the Nats?

John

On 1/20/2017 3:01 PM, John Fuqua via NSRCA-discussion wrote:

Sportsman is a provisional class.  AMA does not support any provisional
classes at the Nats.   SIGs can but AMA will not.

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The new website looks great and is a much better presentation of the
information we all need.

After reading Mike's article on the Nats I have a couple of comments.

I like the idea of trying out an addition of Sportsman on a trial basis
although I'm not sure how we would fit in the additional class in Muncie.
Regarding the trophies, I would provide the same trophies for Sportsman as
any other class. Getting the trophies from the AMA shouldn't be a problem as
Sportsman is an official AMA class. I don't see the point in making the
effort to include Sportsman and then making them feel like second class
citizens.  I assume that the same aircraft specification rules will be
applied as everyone else. No waiver for "fly what you brung"

Second thought relates to holding a final for Intermediate and Advanced. In
the past there has been an acknowledged problem in finding judges plus many
of the competitors didn't want to hang around the extra day. I suggest using
the third day as a combination of a final and the usual last two rounds for
non-finalists. The top 8 competitors would go into the finals and fly two
rounds. Best of the rounds would be used to average with prelim average to
establish the finalist order. The remaining pilots would still be jockeying
for their final placing but could not beat out any finalist.

Or everyone could fly all 6 rounds and then have a one round sudden death
flyoff of the top 8 places for final placing.

Point is that there are ways to provide a final for all classes without
undue strain on all concerned.

John

On 1/20/2017 12:26 PM, Ronald Van Putte via NSRCA-discussion wrote:

I agree Vince.  We did it in the D-3 contest announcements that were just
phased out.   

Ron

On Jan 20, 2017, at 11:59 AM, Vicente Bortone via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> wrote:

Looks great.  Thanks Derek. 

Only one suggestion.  It will be great to somehow allow pilots to tell the
CDs that they are planing to attend their contest.  I think is good for the
CD and clubs to have approximate head count to prepare for the contest.
Probably this has been discussed in the pass and I forgot details.  Also
this helps the CD to comunicate back to pilots in case of sudden changes
just before the contest.  

Thanks again,

Vicente "Vince" Bortone

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion
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> wrote:

Hi Rob,

Mike Harrison's info is there - it was put up a couple of days ago.  I'll
have Jon Carter's article up shortly.

Thanks for the feedback!

-Derek

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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Website update

I really like the new site.  My favorite feature is the way the links to
upcoming contests are displayed on the home page.

The only negative comment I have is I can't find the 2017 NATS info from
Mike Harrison and Jon Carter that was on the old site.  I expect that will
be fixed in a few days.  But then again, AMA doesn't have much on the 2017
NATS yet either.

Excellent job on the new website!

Rob

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Anthony Romano via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> wrote:

Now that everyone has had a chance to see the new website please share your
feedback!

Let the team know that their hard work has been appreciated. Also, it is
good to hear any areas that may have missed the mark.

Anthony

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