[NSRCA-discussion] FAI 1/2 points

[Matt Kebabjian]

Hey, the Europeans are not about to learn anything from Americans. Chidgey drummed into us decades ago to always give the lesser score. I'm pretty sure he drummed it into them too. Times have changed......

Matt K


Matt Kebabjian


> On Aug 1, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Scott Smith via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
> 
> I asked that same question and was told:
> 
> "No particular reason was given for the rounding up... They preferred it versus rounding down."
> 
>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>> Some ideas and changes are just plain stupid!  There I said it :)
>> 
>> I have always hated the fact that some judging criteria and downgrades
>> were different in FAI and AMA.  Makes judging which is a tough job to do
>> right even tougher.  You have to know 2 different sets of rules and in
>> the long run only lowers the accuracy of judging, most likely more so
>> for the FAI fliers.  But that is another can of worms.
>> 
>> I thought that allowing 1/2 points in FAI sounded like a good idea, we
>> are used to it in the rest of the classes.  And since the FAI pilots are
>> in most part the better fliers they are more likely to make the 1/2
>> point errors as compared to the greater inaccuracies usually seen in the
>> lower classes.
>> 
>> But wait an 8.5 becomes a 9, and a 9 is still a 9  ??????
>> 
>> So just to prove how silly this idea can be I used Scott's scoring
>> program and ran a fictitious contest with 2 flyers and 2 rounds.  I used
>> a couple of friends as contestants so to not offend anyone.  I also had
>> to use the masters sequence as an example, as the program automatically
>> rounds up FAI scores.
>> 
>> Hopefully the PDF files are attached.
>> 
>> Each flyer received identical scores in each of their 2 flights. AR
>> received all 7.5's except one maneuver which was an 8.5,  and DL all 8's
>> .  In round 1 scores were not rounded up and in round 2 the scores were
>> rounded up as they would automatically be done in FAI.
>> 
>> Look at the files for AR round 1 and DL  round 1.  It would seem pretty
>> obvious who should win that round and without rounding up AR gets a
>> 947.75 to DL's 1000.
>> 
>> Note that every maneuver but one was judged higher for DL.
>> 
>> Now look at AR round 2 and DL round 2 rounded up.  The same exact judges
>> scores with only 1 maneuver scored higher for AR, but due to the
>> rounding up AR wins the round 1000 to 989.86.
>> 
>> Now this is the extreme and unlikely to actually happen in a contest to
>> this extent but just the fact that it works this way makes the whole
>> idea of rounding up ridiculous.
>> 
>> Is there really an argument that this is a good thing?
>> 
>> Stuart C.
>> 
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