[NSRCA-discussion] FAI 1/2 points

[DaveL322]

I don't believe the FAI philosophy has ever said a judge could not make partial point deductions, simply that rounding to the nearest whole new number should be done....and up in the case of a half number increment.
And FAI has always advocated a 10 is not a maneuver without flaws, it is simply a maneuver without flaws sufficient to downgrade to a 9.
Seems to me FAI is trying to shift the burden of rounding to the computer instead of the judge.
It would be interesting to see several existing data sets tallied with and without the rounding.
Regards,
Dave LockhartDaveL322 at comcast.net
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-------- Original message --------From: Scott Smith via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Date: 8/1/16  3:42 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Stuart Chale <schale1 at outlook.com>, General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI 1/2 points 
I asked that same question and was told:
"No particular reason was given for the rounding up... They preferred it versus rounding down."
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
Some ideas and changes are just plain stupid!  There I said it :)



I have always hated the fact that some judging criteria and downgrades

were different in FAI and AMA.  Makes judging which is a tough job to do

right even tougher.  You have to know 2 different sets of rules and in

the long run only lowers the accuracy of judging, most likely more so

for the FAI fliers.  But that is another can of worms.



I thought that allowing 1/2 points in FAI sounded like a good idea, we

are used to it in the rest of the classes.  And since the FAI pilots are

in most part the better fliers they are more likely to make the 1/2

point errors as compared to the greater inaccuracies usually seen in the

lower classes.



But wait an 8.5 becomes a 9, and a 9 is still a 9  ??????



So just to prove how silly this idea can be I used Scott's scoring

program and ran a fictitious contest with 2 flyers and 2 rounds.  I used

a couple of friends as contestants so to not offend anyone.  I also had

to use the masters sequence as an example, as the program automatically

rounds up FAI scores.



Hopefully the PDF files are attached.



Each flyer received identical scores in each of their 2 flights. AR

received all 7.5's except one maneuver which was an 8.5,  and DL all 8's

.  In round 1 scores were not rounded up and in round 2 the scores were

rounded up as they would automatically be done in FAI.



Look at the files for AR round 1 and DL  round 1.  It would seem pretty

obvious who should win that round and without rounding up AR gets a

947.75 to DL's 1000.



Note that every maneuver but one was judged higher for DL.



Now look at AR round 2 and DL round 2 rounded up.  The same exact judges

scores with only 1 maneuver scored higher for AR, but due to the

rounding up AR wins the round 1000 to 989.86.



Now this is the extreme and unlikely to actually happen in a contest to

this extent but just the fact that it works this way makes the whole

idea of rounding up ridiculous.



Is there really an argument that this is a good thing?



Stuart C.




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