[NSRCA-discussion] F-17.13

[Anthony Romano]

Hi Stu,

Moving up?  The aresti and maneuver description shows it exiting inverted. Slide F-17.13-1 shows it correctly but slide F-17.13-2 shows an incorrect upright exit. A real ugly and awkward maneuver that is very hard to see to fly and probably worse to judge. 

The slide for fourteen also seems to need some revision as well. The description includes a half circle with an integrated 1/4 roll (which I think should be a half roll) in the second radius changing the orientation of the aircraft which is not shown in the slide. 

F-17.13 Big-M with two consecutive 1⁄4 rolls, 1⁄2 roll, 1⁄2 roll integrated, 1⁄2 roll, two consecutive 1⁄4 rolls
From upright, pull through a 1/4 loop into a vertical upline, perform two consecutive 1⁄4 rolls, perform a 1⁄2 knife-edge loop into a vertical downline, perform a 1⁄2 roll, push through a 1⁄2 loop into a vertical upline while performing a 1⁄2 roll integrated, perform a 1⁄2 roll, perform a 1⁄2 knife-edge loop into a vertical downline, perform two consecutive 1⁄4 rolls, push through a 1/4 loop, exit inverted.
F-17.14 Fighter Turn with 1⁄4 roll, 1⁄4 roll integrated, 1⁄4 roll
From inverted, push through a 1/8 loop into a 45° upline, perform a 1⁄4 roll, push through a 1⁄2 circle into a 45° upline while performing a 1⁄4 roll integrated to the outside, perform a 1⁄4 roll, push through a 1/8 loop, exit upright. 

Great to see people are looking at these schedules already so these issues can be worked out. 

Anthony
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> On Sep 17, 2015, at 10:39 PM, "Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
> 
> I didn't see the description but I am having trouble coming out upright as the PP shows.
> 
> You enter upright pull to vertical then 2/4 then knife edge over. 1/2 roll on the way down 
> So you are starting the middle of the M as a push with an integrated 1/2 roll in the half loop.
> The second upline is like  the first only the 1/2 is going up and 2/4 going down after the knife edge half loop.  I keep coming out inverted.
> 
> Stuart
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>> On 9/17/2015 9:38 PM, Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
>> Yup.  Pretty knarly eh? 
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>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 9:26 PM, Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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>> F-17.13  Has anyone looked at the description and PowerPoint of this maneuver?
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