[NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21

Mon Dec 14 15:16:58 AKST 2015

This is just the beginning of the slippery slope.  Once we are registered
then they will never stop regulating us.  The AMA should file suit against
this new requirement.  We register cars and boats with the states not the
feds.  I'll admit I haven't been following what the AMA is going on our
behalf but I'm beginning to think they are way over their heads.  Just
because you are a good flyer or popular with the modeling community doesn't
make you qualified to lobby on our behalf.  If you are stupid enough to fly
any RC plane within the vicinity of Washington DC or any other major
metropolitan area then you probably won't register with the feds or with the
AMA.  If you are inclined to use any RC plane for nefarious reasons then you
are certainly not going to register with the feds or the AMA.  So what does
this accomplish?  Only one thing!!  It opens the door to allow the FAA to
regulate our hobby like perhaps limiting flight to less than 400 ft.  The
fee is $5 now but could be more latter.

From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 6:53 PM
To: Anthony Cornacchione; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21

Honestly, I think thats one of the use-cases the FAA didn't think through
real well...

My belief is that this whole thing is about creating a sense of
accountability for the "rogue" users (I'm not willing to give them the term
pilot because they don't deserve it) who do stupid shit like flying around a
wildfire and preventing Calfire airborne response for 20+ minutes, etc.
It's about dealing with the anti-AMA guys who fly 120+mph EDFs weighing 6+
lbs over an active soccer game at a local park, it's about dealing with the
dipshits who fly their drone on the takeoff/approach path of an active full
scale airport in hopes of "cool footage".  The AMA field flyers are the
least of the FAA's worries and we're blowing it out of proportion.  Yes,
it's a stupid regulation, but let's comply where we can and show ourselves
to be the responsible modelers the AMA says we are.

For the foreign guys, first of all, sorry for the needless red tape (though
I think a similar thing is coming for the BMFA guys in the UK and it would
not surprise me to see a more sensible version of this from the Canadian
guys).  But if I were CD'ing a contest and some guys came down from the
Great White North, I'd happily hook them up with some temporary form of my
own registration # to put in their planes for the purposes of flying at the
contest because I know them to be responsible pilots.

Peter+

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Anthony Cornacchione via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

Legit question with an unknown answer:  how will this impact international
(IMAC Worlds in Muncie 2018) NATS with international competitors (NATS News
this year had a nice write up) and our local contests which have had the
occasional Canadian wander south?

On Dec 14, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Dana Beaton via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

Boaters register their pleasure craft, fishermen & hunters buy licenses,
some folks even register their firearms! So what? Are we going to give up
our hobby just because of a tiny pice of red tape? Nope! Just keep flying.
The bad actors who misuse their aircraft will run afoul local authorities
sure enough, that's their problem, not ours.  We need to continue to set the
good example though our good flying.  Good flying will carry the day.

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 14, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Dave Burton via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

So, just shut up and drink the Kool-Aid?

From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 6:15 PM
To: Atwood, Mark; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21

Yep.... yep... yep.

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

Hasn't that private information ship already sailed?  We all register cars
and think nothing of it.  Heck, we even took classes, got educated, and were
tested for a license before we could own or operate a car and we have to
renew that every four years and prove we're still physically capable
(minimal proof admittedly).  Personally not sure a gun should be much
different but don't want to start that discussion (especially since I'm
generally pro gun.just not pro redneck hill jack survivalist conspiracy
theorist) but not registering to fly airplanes?  Really?    We trade more
info internationally downloading a Facebook app.    Also, we're already
registered. just with the AMA, not the USA.  And yes, the AMA is trying to
make that our ONLY registration, but that's just a proposal at this point.

Guys. we already do ALL of this.  Our AMA # is on the plane, we follow
safety rules, blah blah blah.  This is a very minor inconvenience and if the
AMA proposal to use our AMA# for our registration number it won't even be
that.  

On Dec 14, 2015, at 5:15 PM, Dave Burton via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

Now is the time for massive civil disobedience!

I don't think I'd register my planes any more than I'd register my guns.

Too bad AMA has no clout like the NRA.

Dave

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mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Beaubien via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 1:23 PM
To: Scott McHarg; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21

Morons at work..

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back and don't ask Y."

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mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Scott McHarg
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Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21

Well, here it is boys and girls.  It's official and starts next Monday.  The
link is for the FAQ's of what's happening. 

 You only have to register once and you don't have to individually register
all of your models.

You must be able to provide proof of registration and have it on you when
flying.

You must have your Registration # (not going to be a N number) in your
airplane where it is legible and accessible without the use of tools (aka
under your canopy).  

If you sell a model, you should update your records. (I don't completely
understand this if we aren't registering all of our models individually but,
OK)

Registration is $5 but you'll get that back if you register in the first 30
days, I believe.

Have a look at the link and prepare to be upset.....

 <http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/>
http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/

Scott A. McHarg

VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot

Texas A&M University

PPL - ASEL

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