[NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21

Mon Dec 14 15:29:05 AKST 2015

Nevertheless here we are. The AMA has fought the good fight and will continue to do so on our behalf, I trust. We can do our part by keeping it clean and keeping the faith. Those who misuse their drones will encounter local law enforcement long before the FAA comes into play.  There are already many laws to protect the public from irresponsible operators of motor vehicles, airborne or on the ground, those cases will play out at local levels. Law enforcement can soon check to see if a bad actor has registered to fly, and if not, has another tool to use to separate the good guys from bad.

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> On Dec 14, 2015, at 7:16 PM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> This is just the beginning of the slippery slope.  Once we are registered then they will never stop regulating us.  The AMA should file suit against this new requirement.  We register cars and boats with the states not the feds.  I’ll admit I haven’t been following what the AMA is going on our behalf but I’m beginning to think they are way over their heads.  Just because you are a good flyer or popular with the modeling community doesn’t make you qualified to lobby on our behalf.  If you are stupid enough to fly any RC plane within the vicinity of Washington DC or any other major metropolitan area then you probably won’t register with the feds or with the AMA.  If you are inclined to use any RC plane for nefarious reasons then you are certainly not going to register with the feds or the AMA.  So what does this accomplish?  Only one thing!!  It opens the door to allow the FAA to regulate our hobby like perhaps limiting flight to less than 400 ft.  The fee is $5 now but could be more latter.
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> From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 6:53 PM
> To: Anthony Cornacchione; General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21
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> Honestly, I think thats one of the use-cases the FAA didn't think through real well...
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> My belief is that this whole thing is about creating a sense of accountability for the "rogue" users (I'm not willing to give them the term pilot because they don't deserve it) who do stupid shit like flying around a wildfire and preventing Calfire airborne response for 20+ minutes, etc.  It's about dealing with the anti-AMA guys who fly 120+mph EDFs weighing 6+ lbs over an active soccer game at a local park, it's about dealing with the dipshits who fly their drone on the takeoff/approach path of an active full scale airport in hopes of "cool footage".  The AMA field flyers are the least of the FAA's worries and we're blowing it out of proportion.  Yes, it's a stupid regulation, but let's comply where we can and show ourselves to be the responsible modelers the AMA says we are.
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> For the foreign guys, first of all, sorry for the needless red tape (though I think a similar thing is coming for the BMFA guys in the UK and it would not surprise me to see a more sensible version of this from the Canadian guys).  But if I were CD'ing a contest and some guys came down from the Great White North, I'd happily hook them up with some temporary form of my own registration # to put in their planes for the purposes of flying at the contest because I know them to be responsible pilots.
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> Peter+
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> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Anthony Cornacchione via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
> Legit question with an unknown answer:  how will this impact international (IMAC Worlds in Muncie 2018) NATS with international competitors (NATS News this year had a nice write up) and our local contests which have had the occasional Canadian wander south?
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> On Dec 14, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Dana Beaton via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> Boaters register their pleasure craft, fishermen & hunters buy licenses, some folks even register their firearms! So what? Are we going to give up our hobby just because of a tiny pice of red tape? Nope! Just keep flying. The bad actors who misuse their aircraft will run afoul local authorities sure enough, that's their problem, not ours.  We need to continue to set the good example though our good flying.  Good flying will carry the day.
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> On Dec 14, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Dave Burton via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> So, just shut up and drink the Kool-Aid?
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> From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 6:15 PM
> To: Atwood, Mark; General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21
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> Yep.... yep... yep.
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> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
> Hasn’t that private information ship already sailed?  We all register cars and think nothing of it.  Heck, we even took classes, got educated, and were tested for a license before we could own or operate a car and we have to renew that every four years and prove we’re still physically capable (minimal proof admittedly).  Personally not sure a gun should be much different but don’t want to start that discussion (especially since I’m generally pro gun…just not pro redneck hill jack survivalist conspiracy theorist) but not registering to fly airplanes?  Really?    We trade more info internationally downloading a Facebook app.    Also, we’re already registered… just with the AMA, not the USA.  And yes, the AMA is trying to make that our ONLY registration, but that’s just a proposal at this point.  
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> Guys… we already do ALL of this.  Our AMA # is on the plane, we follow safety rules, blah blah blah.  This is a very minor inconvenience and if the AMA proposal to use our AMA# for our registration number it won’t even be that.  
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> On Dec 14, 2015, at 5:15 PM, Dave Burton via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> Now is the time for massive civil disobedience!
> I don't think I'd register my planes any more than I'd register my guns.
> Too bad AMA has no clout like the NRA.
> Dave
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21
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> From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion
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> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21
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> Well, here it is boys and girls.  It's official and starts next Monday.  The link is for the FAQ's of what's happening. 
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>  You only have to register once and you don't have to individually register all of your models.
> You must be able to provide proof of registration and have it on you when flying.
> You must have your Registration # (not going to be a N number) in your airplane where it is legible and accessible without the use of tools (aka under your canopy).  
> If you sell a model, you should update your records. (I don't completely understand this if we aren't registering all of our models individually but, OK)
> Registration is $5 but you'll get that back if you register in the first 30 days, I believe.
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> Have a look at the link and prepare to be upset.....
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> http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/
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