[NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21

Mon Dec 14 12:40:01 AKST 2015

I didn't think of it that way, Scott.  See, there is a silver lining... I
guess I qualify for the 1500 hour limit now to take my ATP check ride.

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com> wrote:

> Derek,
>
> Good news!  If we're now considered "aircraft", we should be able to log
> all of our model hours in our logbook, right?  All of a sudden, I'm a pilot
> with thousands of hours!  :)
>
> *Scott A. McHarg*
> VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
> Texas A&M University
> PPL - ASEL
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Patrick Harris via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
>> Nope, we are all supposed to register.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Why does this impact us?  This is only for drone usage... isn't it?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 11:50 AM, astropuppy via NSRCA-discussion <
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I propose the NSRCA buy all of our airplanes and get one registration
>>>> number, providing copies of the NSRCA "Certifcate of Registration" to all
>>>> members in good standing.
>>>>
>>>> Q. If I let someone borrow my drone do I have to give them the
>>>> Certificate of Registration?
>>>>
>>>> A. Yes, anyone who operates your drone must have the Certificate of
>>>> Aircraft Registration in their possession. You can give them a paper copy,
>>>> email it to them, or they can show it electronically from the registration
>>>> website.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion <
>>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ah.  That makes sense.  Classic failure to think though the
>>>>> use-cases.  If they just took AMA/CAA/BMFA/etc. #'s as valid registration
>>>>> they would solve for the same thing.  If they really wanted to, they could
>>>>> just ask AMA to provide data regarding their active members and impose a
>>>>> constraint that AMA #'s can't be changed or reused.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter+
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, if you're not a US citizen, you have to do it by paper and
>>>>>> snail mail.  Only US Citizens can use the website so if you fly in the US,
>>>>>> according to the FAA, you still must register and cannot fly unregistered
>>>>>> here.  I believe Rex pointed out why that'd be a pain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Scott A. McHarg*
>>>>>> VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
>>>>>> Texas A&M University
>>>>>> PPL - ASEL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion <
>>>>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The really funny thing here is that you have to be a US citizen to
>>>>>>> register your UAS, so if we speculate that this is some kind of
>>>>>>> Anti-Terrorist thing (which, I don't believe it to be), then they are
>>>>>>> missing a huge part of their target.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's over reach and redundant to the AMA membership requirement of
>>>>>>> having your AMA # or name in the plane, but whatever, I'm happy to comply
>>>>>>> and really don't see the point in getting my blood pressure elevated over
>>>>>>> this.  I suspect sanity will return over time as AMA and FAA continue to
>>>>>>> work together here, hopefully in a spirit of partnership rather than an
>>>>>>> adversarial relationship.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter+
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Rex via NSRCA-discussion <
>>>>>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Could be interesting when having Canadians come to our pattern
>>>>>>>> contests!  Or from any other country for that matter!   That would have to
>>>>>>>> be handled through snail mail...
>>>>>>>> OR....simply give your foreign buddy a dollar for their
>>>>>>>> plane....print your registration # on a piece of paper and tape it inside
>>>>>>>> the plane....give them a copy of your proof of registration....you are good
>>>>>>>> to go!  They can buy it back when they are ready to go home!   I forget,
>>>>>>>> what was the whole reason behind registration?   :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rex
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>>>>> From: Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <
>>>>>>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>> Date: 12/14/2015 11:06 AM (GMT-08:00)
>>>>>>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I see no reason why CDs or clubs need to be involved. This is
>>>>>>>> between the individual and the FAA. Unless AMA makes checking this be a
>>>>>>>> requirement, we should not do anything. I don't recall AMA checking FCC
>>>>>>>> licenses back before the FCC realized that trying to control Citizens Band
>>>>>>>> was as useless as this is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>> On Monday, December 14, 2015 Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion <
>>>>>>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Karl,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good questions which need to be addressed, pattern or not.  The
>>>>>>>> CD's are going to have to make sure each entrant is registered or offer a
>>>>>>>> way to have them register at the field.  The registration # does not
>>>>>>>> replace the AMA # but must be contained in or on the model and accessible
>>>>>>>> without tools.  Heck, AMA clubs are going to have to make sure each person
>>>>>>>> flying on a Sunday afternoon is registered.  Within the NSRCA, I hope to
>>>>>>>> address this at our next board meeting to try to get y'all some answers as
>>>>>>>> to how we could/should handle pattern events.  They are AMA events though
>>>>>>>> so hopefully we can get some answers for y'all through the S.I.G.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vicente, I think the 400 ft AGL rule has always been in place per
>>>>>>>> se.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Scott A. McHarg*
>>>>>>>> VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
>>>>>>>> Texas A&M University
>>>>>>>> PPL - ASEL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Karl Watts <
>>>>>>>> Karl.Watts at saintalphonsus.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK, so how will this now impact our pattern competitions?  Will we
>>>>>>>> have to now provide proof of registration before we can fly at a contest
>>>>>>>> and have our registration # on our plane?  Does this replace the AMA #?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:
>>>>>>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott
>>>>>>>> McHarg via NSRCA-discussion
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:05 AM
>>>>>>>> *To:* General pattern discussion
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, here it is boys and girls.  It's official and starts next
>>>>>>>> Monday.  The link is for the FAQ's of what's happening.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  You only have to register once and you don't have to individually
>>>>>>>> register all of your models.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You must be able to provide proof of registration and have it on
>>>>>>>> you when flying.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You must have your Registration # (not going to be a N number) in
>>>>>>>> your airplane where it is legible and accessible without the use of tools
>>>>>>>> (aka under your canopy).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you sell a model, you should update your records. (I don't
>>>>>>>> completely understand this if we aren't registering all of our models
>>>>>>>> individually but, OK)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Registration is $5 but you'll get that back if you register in the
>>>>>>>> first 30 days, I believe.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have a look at the link and prepare to be upset.....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Scott A. McHarg*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Texas A&M University
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PPL - ASEL
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