[NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21

Mon Dec 14 13:41:58 AKST 2015

LOL Scott.  That may leave some asking you to define "an airworthy
condition"!

*Scott A. McHarg*
VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
Texas A&M University
PPL - ASEL

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Scott Smith via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

> hmmm...Annual Inspections for the models.  That may be worthy of
> resurrecting my IA (Inspection Authorization for you FAA newbs...an A&P
> that can perform/sign off annual inspections)
>
> *I certify that this toy aircraft has been inspected in accordance with an
> annual inspection and was determined to be in airworthy condition.*
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Ed Alt via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
>> And you get log all your maintenance too?  Let's hope not!
>>
>> On Dec 14, 2015, at 4:34 PM, Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>
>> Derek,
>>
>> Good news!  If we're now considered "aircraft", we should be able to log
>> all of our model hours in our logbook, right?  All of a sudden, I'm a pilot
>> with thousands of hours!  :)
>>
>> *Scott A. McHarg*
>> VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
>> Texas A&M University
>> PPL - ASEL
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Patrick Harris via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Nope, we are all supposed to register.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion <
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why does this impact us?  This is only for drone usage... isn't it?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 11:50 AM, astropuppy via NSRCA-discussion <
>>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I propose the NSRCA buy all of our airplanes and get one registration
>>>>> number, providing copies of the NSRCA "Certifcate of Registration" to all
>>>>> members in good standing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Q. If I let someone borrow my drone do I have to give them the
>>>>> Certificate of Registration?
>>>>>
>>>>> A. Yes, anyone who operates your drone must have the Certificate of
>>>>> Aircraft Registration in their possession. You can give them a paper copy,
>>>>> email it to them, or they can show it electronically from the registration
>>>>> website.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion <
>>>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah.  That makes sense.  Classic failure to think though the
>>>>>> use-cases.  If they just took AMA/CAA/BMFA/etc. #'s as valid registration
>>>>>> they would solve for the same thing.  If they really wanted to, they could
>>>>>> just ask AMA to provide data regarding their active members and impose a
>>>>>> constraint that AMA #'s can't be changed or reused.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter+
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, if you're not a US citizen, you have to do it by paper and
>>>>>>> snail mail.  Only US Citizens can use the website so if you fly in the US,
>>>>>>> according to the FAA, you still must register and cannot fly unregistered
>>>>>>> here.  I believe Rex pointed out why that'd be a pain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Scott A. McHarg*
>>>>>>> VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
>>>>>>> Texas A&M University
>>>>>>> PPL - ASEL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion <
>>>>>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The really funny thing here is that you have to be a US citizen to
>>>>>>>> register your UAS, so if we speculate that this is some kind of
>>>>>>>> Anti-Terrorist thing (which, I don't believe it to be), then they are
>>>>>>>> missing a huge part of their target.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's over reach and redundant to the AMA membership requirement of
>>>>>>>> having your AMA # or name in the plane, but whatever, I'm happy to comply
>>>>>>>> and really don't see the point in getting my blood pressure elevated over
>>>>>>>> this.  I suspect sanity will return over time as AMA and FAA continue to
>>>>>>>> work together here, hopefully in a spirit of partnership rather than an
>>>>>>>> adversarial relationship.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter+
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Rex via NSRCA-discussion <
>>>>>>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Could be interesting when having Canadians come to our pattern
>>>>>>>>> contests!  Or from any other country for that matter!   That would have to
>>>>>>>>> be handled through snail mail...
>>>>>>>>> OR....simply give your foreign buddy a dollar for their
>>>>>>>>> plane....print your registration # on a piece of paper and tape it inside
>>>>>>>>> the plane....give them a copy of your proof of registration....you are good
>>>>>>>>> to go!  They can buy it back when they are ready to go home!   I forget,
>>>>>>>>> what was the whole reason behind registration?   :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rex
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>>>>>> From: Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <
>>>>>>>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>>> Date: 12/14/2015 11:06 AM (GMT-08:00)
>>>>>>>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December
>>>>>>>>> 21
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I see no reason why CDs or clubs need to be involved. This is
>>>>>>>>> between the individual and the FAA. Unless AMA makes checking this be a
>>>>>>>>> requirement, we should not do anything. I don't recall AMA checking FCC
>>>>>>>>> licenses back before the FCC realized that trying to control Citizens Band
>>>>>>>>> was as useless as this is.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, December 14, 2015 Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion <
>>>>>>>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Karl,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good questions which need to be addressed, pattern or not.  The
>>>>>>>>> CD's are going to have to make sure each entrant is registered or offer a
>>>>>>>>> way to have them register at the field.  The registration # does not
>>>>>>>>> replace the AMA # but must be contained in or on the model and accessible
>>>>>>>>> without tools.  Heck, AMA clubs are going to have to make sure each person
>>>>>>>>> flying on a Sunday afternoon is registered.  Within the NSRCA, I hope to
>>>>>>>>> address this at our next board meeting to try to get y'all some answers as
>>>>>>>>> to how we could/should handle pattern events.  They are AMA events though
>>>>>>>>> so hopefully we can get some answers for y'all through the S.I.G.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vicente, I think the 400 ft AGL rule has always been in place per
>>>>>>>>> se.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Scott A. McHarg*
>>>>>>>>> VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
>>>>>>>>> Texas A&M University
>>>>>>>>> PPL - ASEL
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Karl Watts <
>>>>>>>>> Karl.Watts at saintalphonsus.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK, so how will this now impact our pattern competitions?  Will we
>>>>>>>>> have to now provide proof of registration before we can fly at a contest
>>>>>>>>> and have our registration # on our plane?  Does this replace the AMA #?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:
>>>>>>>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott
>>>>>>>>> McHarg via NSRCA-discussion
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:05 AM
>>>>>>>>> *To:* General pattern discussion
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, here it is boys and girls.  It's official and starts next
>>>>>>>>> Monday.  The link is for the FAQ's of what's happening.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  You only have to register once and you don't have to individually
>>>>>>>>> register all of your models.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You must be able to provide proof of registration and have it on
>>>>>>>>> you when flying.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You must have your Registration # (not going to be a N number) in
>>>>>>>>> your airplane where it is legible and accessible without the use of tools
>>>>>>>>> (aka under your canopy).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you sell a model, you should update your records. (I don't
>>>>>>>>> completely understand this if we aren't registering all of our models
>>>>>>>>> individually but, OK)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Registration is $5 but you'll get that back if you register in the
>>>>>>>>> first 30 days, I believe.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Have a look at the link and prepare to be upset.....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Scott A. McHarg*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Texas A&M University
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PPL - ASEL
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