[NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21

Mon Dec 14 12:35:13 AKST 2015

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From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion
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To: astropuppy <astropuppy at gmail.com>; General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21

Why does this impact us?  This is only for drone usage... isn't it?

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 11:50 AM, astropuppy via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
I propose the NSRCA buy all of our airplanes and get one registration number, providing copies of the NSRCA "Certifcate of Registration" to all members in good standing.

Q. If I let someone borrow my drone do I have to give them the Certificate of Registration?

A. Yes, anyone who operates your drone must have the Certificate of Aircraft Registration in their possession. You can give them a paper copy, email it to them, or they can show it electronically from the registration website.

Mike

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
Ah.  That makes sense.  Classic failure to think though the use-cases.  If they just took AMA/CAA/BMFA/etc. #'s as valid registration they would solve for the same thing.  If they really wanted to, they could just ask AMA to provide data regarding their active members and impose a constraint that AMA #'s can't be changed or reused.

Peter+

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com<mailto:scmcharg at gmail.com>> wrote:
Peter,

Actually, if you're not a US citizen, you have to do it by paper and snail mail.  Only US Citizens can use the website so if you fly in the US, according to the FAA, you still must register and cannot fly unregistered here.  I believe Rex pointed out why that'd be a pain.

Scott A. McHarg
VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
Texas A&M University
PPL - ASEL

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
The really funny thing here is that you have to be a US citizen to register your UAS, so if we speculate that this is some kind of Anti-Terrorist thing (which, I don't believe it to be), then they are missing a huge part of their target.

It's over reach and redundant to the AMA membership requirement of having your AMA # or name in the plane, but whatever, I'm happy to comply and really don't see the point in getting my blood pressure elevated over this.  I suspect sanity will return over time as AMA and FAA continue to work together here, hopefully in a spirit of partnership rather than an adversarial relationship.

Peter+

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Rex via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
Could be interesting when having Canadians come to our pattern contests!  Or from any other country for that matter!   That would have to be handled through snail mail...
OR....simply give your foreign buddy a dollar for their plane....print your registration # on a piece of paper and tape it inside the plane....give them a copy of your proof of registration....you are good to go!  They can buy it back when they are ready to go home!   I forget, what was the whole reason behind registration?   :-)

Rex

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From: Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
Date: 12/14/2015 11:06 AM (GMT-08:00)
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21

I see no reason why CDs or clubs need to be involved. This is between the individual and the FAA. Unless AMA makes checking this be a requirement, we should not do anything. I don't recall AMA checking FCC licenses back before the FCC realized that trying to control Citizens Band was as useless as this is.

Jon

Jon

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On Monday, December 14, 2015 Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
Karl,

Good questions which need to be addressed, pattern or not.  The CD's are going to have to make sure each entrant is registered or offer a way to have them register at the field.  The registration # does not replace the AMA # but must be contained in or on the model and accessible without tools.  Heck, AMA clubs are going to have to make sure each person flying on a Sunday afternoon is registered.  Within the NSRCA, I hope to address this at our next board meeting to try to get y'all some answers as to how we could/should handle pattern events.  They are AMA events though so hopefully we can get some answers for y'all through the S.I.G.

Vicente, I think the 400 ft AGL rule has always been in place per se.

Scott

Scott A. McHarg
VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
Texas A&M University
PPL - ASEL

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Karl Watts <Karl.Watts at saintalphonsus.org<mailto:Karl.Watts at saintalphonsus.org>> wrote:

OK, so how will this now impact our pattern competitions?  Will we have to now provide proof of registration before we can fly at a contest and have our registration # on our plane?  Does this replace the AMA #?

Karl

From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf Of Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:05 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21

Well, here it is boys and girls.  It's official and starts next Monday.  The link is for the FAQ's of what's happening.

 You only have to register once and you don't have to individually register all of your models.

You must be able to provide proof of registration and have it on you when flying.

You must have your Registration # (not going to be a N number) in your airplane where it is legible and accessible without the use of tools (aka under your canopy).

If you sell a model, you should update your records. (I don't completely understand this if we aren't registering all of our models individually but, OK)

Registration is $5 but you'll get that back if you register in the first 30 days, I believe.

Have a look at the link and prepare to be upset.....

http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/

Scott A. McHarg

VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot

Texas A&M University

PPL - ASEL

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