[NSRCA-discussion] 2015 Plenary Meeting

Thu Apr 16 14:48:15 AKDT 2015

I, frankly, do not know which takes preference, 5.1.10 or 5.9.10.  If one is changed and not the other, what is the rule that's used?

Ron

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Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2015 Plenary Meeting
Date: Thu, Apr 16, 2015 2:36 PM

Actually Ron… I’m looking at the current CIAM rules proposal to be voted on and this appears to have already been modified.

5.1.10 Judging F3 Aero Subcommittee

Amend the paragraph as follows:

b) The invited judges for a World or Continental Championship, must be selected from
<the current> the applicable
list of FAI International Judges... 

Reason: Since the available number of international judges may be limited in a “current” list, ie a list becoming effective in the year of the championship actually held should also serve as a resource of appointable judges. 

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On Apr 16, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

I tend to be in agreement with Ron on this one.  I understand the motivation to remove the word “Current”, as it creates some logistical problems with timing.  But they need to replace it with something less open ended, such as “Current, or immediately prior
list…” so that the organizers can’t go back 15 years in time to a prior approved list to select a judge they happen to like who may or may not be active and current with the rules and sequences.   The changes as proposed give them way too much room to invite
just about anyone that has ever been on any list.   

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On Apr 16, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Ronald Van Putte via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists..nsrca.org> wrote:

The items below have been extracted from the agenda of the 2015 CIAM Plenary Meeting to be held in the Mövenpick
Hotel - Lausanne (Switzerland)

on 
Friday 24 April and Saturday 25 April 2015.

It is proposed that the words in
Bold Oblique be removed from the appropriate section.

The result of the first deletion is that the organizing committee would not have to use names from the current list of international judges and may pick judges whose names are not on
the list.

The second deletion is in line with the first deletion

The third deletion would remove the requirement for recent judging experience.

14.8
Section 4C Volume F3 - RC Aerobatics

aa) 5.9.10 c) Judging F3 Aero Subcommittee

Amend the paragraph as follows:

For World or Continental Championships the organiser must appoint one or more

panels of five judges each. The judges must be of different nationalities
and must be

selected from a current list of international Judges. Those selected must reflect
the

approximate geographical distribution of teams having participated in the previous

World Championships (if applicable) and the final list must be approved by the CIAM

Bureau. At least one third, but not more than two thirds of the judges must not

have judged at the previous World Championship. Judge assignment to the

panels will be by random draw.

Reason: Avoid doubling of the rule, see 5.9.10 d). The rule is meant to refer only to

one, the latest previous World Championship. Adaption to F3A

ab) 5.9.10 d) Judging F3 Aero Subcommittee

Amend the paragraph as follows:

The invited judges for World or Continental Championships must be selected from
a

current the applicable list of FAI international judges and must have had a

reasonable amount of F3P or F3A judging experience
within the previous twelve

months and must submit a resume of his judging experience to the organiser when

accepting the invitation to judge at a World or Continental Championship. The

organiser must in turn submit the resumes to the CIAM Bureau for approval.

Reason: Since the available number of international judges may be limited in a

„current“ list, ie. a list becoming effective in the year of the championship actually

held should also serve as a resource of appointable judges. Judging criteria in F3P

are equal to F3A with both of them referring to the ANNEX 5B

I am not in favor of the deletions and wonder what NSRCA’s and AMA’s plans are.

Ron Van Putte

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