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<body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><div>I, frankly, do not know which takes preference, 5.1.10 or 5.9.10. If one is changed and not the other, what is the rule that's used?</div><div><br></div><div>Ron</div><div><br></div><div>Sent from my HTC One on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network</div><br><div id="htc_header">----- Reply message -----<br>From: "Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>To: "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com>, "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2015 Plenary Meeting<br>Date: Thu, Apr 16, 2015 2:36 PM</div></div><br>
Actually Ron… I’m looking at the current CIAM rules proposal to be voted on and this appears to have already been modified.
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<p><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-weight: 700;">5.1.10 Judging F3 Aero Subcommittee
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<p><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-style: oblique;">Amend the paragraph as follows:
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<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">b) The invited judges for a World or Continental Championship, must be selected from
<u><i><the current></i></u> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-weight: 700;">the applicable
</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">list of FAI International Judges... </span>
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<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Reason: Since the available number of international judges may be limited in a “current” list, ie a list becoming effective in the year of the championship actually held should also serve as a resource of appointable judges. </span></p>
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<div>On Apr 16, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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I tend to be in agreement with Ron on this one. I understand the motivation to remove the word “Current”, as it creates some logistical problems with timing. But they need to replace it with something less open ended, such as “Current, or immediately prior
list…” so that the organizers can’t go back 15 years in time to a prior approved list to select a judge they happen to like who may or may not be active and current with the rules and sequences. The changes as proposed give them way too much room to invite
just about anyone that has ever been on any list.
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<div>On Apr 16, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Ronald Van Putte via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists..nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><font face="Helvetica" size="2" class="">The items below have been extracted from the agenda of the 2015 CIAM Plenary Meeting </font><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: small;" class="">to be held in the Mövenpick
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<div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><font face="Helvetica" size="2" class="">on <u class="">
Friday 24 April and Saturday 25 April 2015.</u></font></div>
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<div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><font face="Helvetica" class=""><font size="2" class="">It is proposed that the words in
<b class=""><i class="">Bold Oblique</i></b> be removed from the appropriate section.</font></font></div>
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<div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><font face="Helvetica" size="2" class="">The result of the first deletion is that the organizing committee would not have to use names from the current list of international judges and may pick judges whose names are not on
the list.</font></div>
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<div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><font face="Helvetica" size="2" class="">The second deletion is in line with the first deletion</font></div>
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<div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><font face="Helvetica" size="2" class="">The third deletion would remove the requirement for recent judging experience.</font></div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><span style="font-size: 18px;" class="">14.8
</span>Section 4C Volume <span style="font-size: 18px;" class="">F3 - RC Aerobatics</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">aa) 5.9.10 c) Judging F3 Aero Subcommittee</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Amend the paragraph as follows:</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">For World or Continental Championships the organiser must appoint one or more</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12px; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">panels of five judges each. The judges must be of different nationalities
</span><span style="font-size: 12px;" class=""><b class=""><i class="">and must be</i></b></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12px;" class=""><b class=""><i class="">selected from a current list of international Judges</i></b></span><span style="font-size: 12px; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">. Those selected must reflect
the</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">approximate geographical distribution of teams having participated in the previous</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">World Championships (if applicable) and the final list must be approved by the CIAM</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Bureau. At least one third, but not more than two thirds of the judges must not</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">have judged at the previous World Championship. Judge assignment to the</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">panels will be by random draw.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Reason: Avoid doubling of the rule, see 5.9.10 d). The rule is meant to refer only to</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">one, the latest previous World Championship. Adaption to F3A</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">ab) 5.9.10 d) Judging F3 Aero Subcommittee</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Amend the paragraph as follows:</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;" class="">The invited judges for World or Continental Championships must be selected from
</span><span style="font-size: 12px;" class=""><b class=""><i class="">a</i></b></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12px;" class=""><b class=""><i class="">current</i></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;" class=""> the applicable list of FAI international judges and must have had a</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;" class="">reasonable amount of F3P or F3A judging experience
</span><span style="font-size: 12px;" class=""><b class=""><i class="">within the previous twelve</i></b></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12px;" class=""><b class=""><i class="">months</i></b></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;" class=""> and must submit a resume of his judging experience to the organiser when</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">accepting the invitation to judge at a World or Continental Championship. The</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">organiser must in turn submit the resumes to the CIAM Bureau for approval.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Reason: Since the available number of international judges may be limited in a</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">„current“ list, ie. a list becoming effective in the year of the championship actually</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">held should also serve as a resource of appointable judges. Judging criteria in F3P</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">are equal to F3A with both of them referring to the ANNEX 5B</div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">I am not in favor of the deletions and wonder what NSRCA’s and AMA’s plans are.</div>
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