[NSRCA-discussion] Snaps

[Patrick Harris]

Here's Patty Wagstaff. At 2:35 and 5:40 they look a lot like what we do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpNOMRdtmtM


On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Bob Pastorello via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

> Nuthin' snaps like a Bucker!!!  :)
>
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Patrick Harris via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
>> Here are some interesting full sized snaps:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ETc1mNNQg8
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruQgFocNJh0
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7LDaSq6E30
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 8:47 AM, James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>
>>> We accommodate / adapt to rules in many ways. Interesting review of full
>>> scale. Wings make a difference. I got a lot happier as I transitioned from
>>> a 2:1, 12% wing to a 2 1/2 :1, 14%.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:
>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *John Ford via
>>> NSRCA-discussion
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 08, 2014 4:58 AM
>>> *To:* w d; General pattern discussion
>>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snaps
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hard to believe no discussion on a snap thread…that's a first.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I watched the French Connection video with interest since they were very
>>> much at the top of the airshow list at around the time I was into
>>> full-scale aerobatics.
>>>
>>> We always figured that FC was able to pull off the "snap-on-the-deck"
>>> stunt because of the CAP-10's airfoil, which was closer to a glider airfoil
>>> than to an acro airfoil. Hence the deep wallow before the autorotation that
>>> results in the displacement of the flight path…to their advantage in this
>>> case. They used to do the two-plane formation snap on take-off, which
>>> always impressed me to no end.
>>>
>>> If you watch Patty Wagstaff do a snap, with a thin, fully-symetrical
>>> airfoil and added full-span stall strips, her snaps become virtually
>>> identical to the FAI "twinkle snap". A Pitts S-1 is somewhere in between.
>>> The Citabria, needing full "con" ailerons, will pause for a split second,
>>> then autorotate in a flash with surprisingly little displacement. So 10
>>> different planes will all autorotate differently, some imperceptibly.
>>> Accordingly, many full-scale pilots snap with ailerons "pro" instead or
>>> with the traditional ailerons "con". Heck, most full-scale competitors get
>>> 10's on spins and they are literally flying/slipping the plane down the
>>> spin…never having stalled at all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So for pattern, if it slows down for a micro-second, and the tail
>>> describes a cone, I call it good, even though I still can't do it that well
>>> myself...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 7, 2014, at 1:25 PM, w d via NSRCA-discussion <
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> well since masters is know taking on traditional FAI maneuvers" rollers
>>> and such".. the twinkle snap will become the standard in AMA ...I will be
>>> doing one in the upline snap from now on...
>>>
>>> gary
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Chuck Hochhalter via NSRCA-discussion <
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well Don, that really didn't fire up a lot of enthusiastic discussion. I
>>> guess after Nats it's don't ask don't tell.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> C
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 6, 2014, at 6:28 PM, flyintexanmark at gmail.com via
>>> NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Very revealing. Thanks Don.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Hunt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Reply message -----
>>> From: "Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion" <
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Snaps
>>> Date: Sat, Sep 6, 2014 3:57 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I just watched CPLR and Mayer doing snaps on video. The entire video is
>>> their snaps.  If you are interested, here’s the link
>>> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1443881&page=2
>>>
>>> about half way down the page.  A good exercise is to watch both videos
>>> and record your thoughts. Then get a thin piece of straight wire and
>>> overlay the track of the models when they snap. See if your views change.
>>> The ability to replay a short segment is a help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Especially watch the snaps at 1:40 for CPLR and about 2:00 for Mayer.
>>> What do you think? Note the post just after Mayer’s video.
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