[NSRCA-discussion] Snaps

[Bob Pastorello]

Nuthin' snaps like a Bucker!!!  :)

On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Patrick Harris via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

> Here are some interesting full sized snaps:
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ETc1mNNQg8
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruQgFocNJh0
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7LDaSq6E30
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> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 8:47 AM, James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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>> We accommodate / adapt to rules in many ways. Interesting review of full
>> scale. Wings make a difference. I got a lot happier as I transitioned from
>> a 2:1, 12% wing to a 2 1/2 :1, 14%.
>>
>> Jim
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>> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>> *On Behalf Of *John Ford via NSRCA-discussion
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 08, 2014 4:58 AM
>> *To:* w d; General pattern discussion
>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snaps
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>> Hard to believe no discussion on a snap thread...that's a first.
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>> I watched the French Connection video with interest since they were very
>> much at the top of the airshow list at around the time I was into
>> full-scale aerobatics.
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>> We always figured that FC was able to pull off the "snap-on-the-deck"
>> stunt because of the CAP-10's airfoil, which was closer to a glider airfoil
>> than to an acro airfoil. Hence the deep wallow before the autorotation that
>> results in the displacement of the flight path...to their advantage in this
>> case. They used to do the two-plane formation snap on take-off, which
>> always impressed me to no end.
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>> If you watch Patty Wagstaff do a snap, with a thin, fully-symetrical
>> airfoil and added full-span stall strips, her snaps become virtually
>> identical to the FAI "twinkle snap". A Pitts S-1 is somewhere in between.
>> The Citabria, needing full "con" ailerons, will pause for a split second,
>> then autorotate in a flash with surprisingly little displacement. So 10
>> different planes will all autorotate differently, some imperceptibly.
>> Accordingly, many full-scale pilots snap with ailerons "pro" instead or
>> with the traditional ailerons "con". Heck, most full-scale competitors get
>> 10's on spins and they are literally flying/slipping the plane down the
>> spin...never having stalled at all.
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>> So for pattern, if it slows down for a micro-second, and the tail
>> describes a cone, I call it good, even though I still can't do it that well
>> myself...
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>> John
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>> On Sep 7, 2014, at 1:25 PM, w d via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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>> well since masters is know taking on traditional FAI maneuvers" rollers
>> and such".. the twinkle snap will become the standard in AMA ...I will be
>> doing one in the upline snap from now on...
>>
>> gary
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>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Chuck Hochhalter via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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>> Well Don, that really didn't fire up a lot of enthusiastic discussion. I
>> guess after Nats it's don't ask don't tell.
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>> C
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 6, 2014, at 6:28 PM, flyintexanmark at gmail.com via
>> NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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>> Very revealing. Thanks Don.
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>> Regards,
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>> Mark Hunt
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>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> >
>> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Snaps
>> Date: Sat, Sep 6, 2014 3:57 PM
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>> I just watched CPLR and Mayer doing snaps on video. The entire video is
>> their snaps.  If you are interested, here's the link
>> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1443881&page=2
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>> about half way down the page.  A good exercise is to watch both videos
>> and record your thoughts. Then get a thin piece of straight wire and
>> overlay the track of the models when they snap. See if your views change.
>> The ability to replay a short segment is a help.
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>> Especially watch the snaps at 1:40 for CPLR and about 2:00 for Mayer.
>> What do you think? Note the post just after Mayer's video.
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