[NSRCA-discussion] Snaps

[Patrick Harris]

At a recent contest, I did the Master's 1 1/2 snap with a nice pitch up of
the nose and one judge ask me if it was supposed to pitch up like that? !!!
[?]




On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Patrick Harris <harris7148 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Here's Patty Wagstaff. At 2:35 and 5:40 they look a lot like what we do.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpNOMRdtmtM
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Bob Pastorello via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
>> Nuthin' snaps like a Bucker!!!  :)
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Patrick Harris via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Here are some interesting full sized snaps:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ETc1mNNQg8
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruQgFocNJh0
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7LDaSq6E30
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 8:47 AM, James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion <
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We accommodate / adapt to rules in many ways. Interesting review of
>>>> full scale. Wings make a difference. I got a lot happier as I transitioned
>>>> from a 2:1, 12% wing to a 2 1/2 :1, 14%.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:
>>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *John Ford via
>>>> NSRCA-discussion
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 08, 2014 4:58 AM
>>>> *To:* w d; General pattern discussion
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snaps
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hard to believe no discussion on a snap thread…that's a first.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I watched the French Connection video with interest since they were
>>>> very much at the top of the airshow list at around the time I was into
>>>> full-scale aerobatics.
>>>>
>>>> We always figured that FC was able to pull off the "snap-on-the-deck"
>>>> stunt because of the CAP-10's airfoil, which was closer to a glider airfoil
>>>> than to an acro airfoil. Hence the deep wallow before the autorotation that
>>>> results in the displacement of the flight path…to their advantage in this
>>>> case. They used to do the two-plane formation snap on take-off, which
>>>> always impressed me to no end.
>>>>
>>>> If you watch Patty Wagstaff do a snap, with a thin, fully-symetrical
>>>> airfoil and added full-span stall strips, her snaps become virtually
>>>> identical to the FAI "twinkle snap". A Pitts S-1 is somewhere in between.
>>>> The Citabria, needing full "con" ailerons, will pause for a split second,
>>>> then autorotate in a flash with surprisingly little displacement. So 10
>>>> different planes will all autorotate differently, some imperceptibly.
>>>> Accordingly, many full-scale pilots snap with ailerons "pro" instead or
>>>> with the traditional ailerons "con". Heck, most full-scale competitors get
>>>> 10's on spins and they are literally flying/slipping the plane down the
>>>> spin…never having stalled at all.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So for pattern, if it slows down for a micro-second, and the tail
>>>> describes a cone, I call it good, even though I still can't do it that well
>>>> myself...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 7, 2014, at 1:25 PM, w d via NSRCA-discussion <
>>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> well since masters is know taking on traditional FAI maneuvers" rollers
>>>> and such".. the twinkle snap will become the standard in AMA ...I will be
>>>> doing one in the upline snap from now on...
>>>>
>>>> gary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Chuck Hochhalter via NSRCA-discussion <
>>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well Don, that really didn't fire up a lot of enthusiastic discussion.
>>>> I guess after Nats it's don't ask don't tell.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> C
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 6, 2014, at 6:28 PM, flyintexanmark at gmail.com via
>>>> NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Very revealing. Thanks Don.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark Hunt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Reply message -----
>>>> From: "Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion" <
>>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Snaps
>>>> Date: Sat, Sep 6, 2014 3:57 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just watched CPLR and Mayer doing snaps on video. The entire video is
>>>> their snaps.  If you are interested, here’s the link
>>>> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1443881&page=2
>>>>
>>>> about half way down the page.  A good exercise is to watch both videos
>>>> and record your thoughts. Then get a thin piece of straight wire and
>>>> overlay the track of the models when they snap. See if your views change.
>>>> The ability to replay a short segment is a help.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Especially watch the snaps at 1:40 for CPLR and about 2:00 for Mayer.
>>>> What do you think? Note the post just after Mayer’s video.
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