[NSRCA-discussion] FAA Rules

[SilentAV8R]

Yes, that is where they were discussin the historical perspective of AC 
91-57. But that is no longer in effect.

On 6/24/14, 5:44 PM, John Fuqua wrote:
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> http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/uas/media/model_aircraft_spec_rule.pdf
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> Paragraph I.   last sentence.
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> *SilentAV8R via NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 24, 2014 7:05 PM
> *To:* Peter Vogel
> *Cc:* General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Rules
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> Can you tell me where that is?? The one and only pace the FAA ever 
> mentioned 400 feet was in AC 91-57, which is no longer in effect based 
> on their new "interpretation." Section 336 makes no mention of 
> altitudes and based on what the FAA is saying is they will selectively 
> apply specific sections of Part 1 in a case where enforcement action 
> is required. They even said it would be a case by case basis.
>
> This thing is onerous enough without reading more into it than is 
> there. AMA is crafting a response right now and I suspect that there 
> will be more clarification coming shortly. One thing is certain, BLOS 
> and FPV are dead as of yesterday. No exceptions or wiggle room there.
>
> Bill
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> On 6/24/14, 4:57 PM, Peter Vogel wrote:
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>     There are several references to "rules for model aviation in the
>     NAS already existing in section 91" (where the 400 foot rule
>     exists) with the extended authorization of the modernization act
>     to operations within 5 miles of an airport.
>
>     Peter+
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>     On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 4:48 PM, SilentAV8R <Silentav8r at cox.net
>     <mailto:Silentav8r at cox.net>> wrote:
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>     I have read it twice now and I have not seen any specific mention
>     of the "400-foot rule."  Can you cite the section of the document
>     since it appears I missed it??
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>     On 6/24/14, 10:47 AM, Peter Vogel wrote:
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>         I read the full text of their interpretation of the "special
>         rule for model aircraft" last night, I think the potential
>         impact to pattern is their attempt to reinforce the 400 foot
>         altitude limit (with no radius considerations for full scale
>         airports) and extend the full scale airport notification
>         radius to 5 miles (from 3 that was in 91-57) to require
>         notification of model aircraft activity.
>
>         Their absolute denial of goggle-based FPV (the pilot MUST
>         always maintain LOS to their plane, it's not sufficient to
>         have a spotter ready to take over) is going to create a lot of
>         lawlessness in the FPV community but shouldn't impact pattern.
>
>         On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 7:58 AM, SilentAV8R via
>         NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>         <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
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>             Actually, the FAA is now prohibiting FPV of any kind.
>
>             http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-faa-is-trying-to-ban-first-person-view-drone-flights?trk_source=recommended
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>             http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=16474&cid=TW223
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>             http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/uas/media/model_aircraft_spec_rule.pdf
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>             Bill
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>             On 6/24/14, 7:27 AM, Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
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>                 Gentlemen,
>
>                 This article was published in USA Today.  It doesn't
>                 really affect us as Pattern folk but it is something
>                 we should be cognizant of as well as be on the lookout
>                 at our local fields for.  The main thing is that the
>                 FAA is allowing FPV flight but not outside of visual
>                 range.  I've seen many many people take their quad
>                 copters far beyond visual range.  Big fines can happen
>                 for sure.
>
>                 http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2014/06/23/faa-drones-rules-model-hobbyist-plane-pilots/11268597/
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>                 -- 
>                 *Scott A. McHarg*
>                 Sr. Systems Engineer - Infrastructure
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