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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Yes, that is where they were discussin
      the historical perspective of AC 91-57. But that is no longer in
      effect.<br>
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      On 6/24/14, 5:44 PM, John Fuqua wrote:<br>
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href="http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/uas/media/model_aircraft_spec_rule.pdf">http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/uas/media/model_aircraft_spec_rule.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                NSRCA-discussion
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On
                  Behalf Of </b>SilentAV8R via NSRCA-discussion<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 24, 2014 7:05 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Peter Vogel<br>
                <b>Cc:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Rules<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Can you tell me where that is?? The one
            and only pace the FAA ever mentioned 400 feet was in AC
            91-57, which is no longer in effect based on their new
            "interpretation." Section 336 makes no mention of altitudes
            and based on what the FAA is saying is they will selectively
            apply specific sections of Part 1 in a case where
            enforcement action is required. They even said it would be a
            case by case basis.   <br>
            <br>
            This thing is onerous enough without reading more into it
            than is there. AMA is crafting a response right now and I
            suspect that there will be more clarification coming
            shortly. One thing is certain, BLOS and FPV are dead as of
            yesterday. No exceptions or wiggle room there.<br>
            <br>
            Bill<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            On 6/24/14, 4:57 PM, Peter Vogel wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">There are several references to "rules
              for model aviation in the NAS already existing in section
              91" (where the 400 foot rule exists) with the extended
              authorization of the modernization act to operations
              within 5 miles of an airport. <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Peter+<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 4:48 PM,
                SilentAV8R <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:Silentav8r@cox.net" target="_blank">Silentav8r@cox.net</a>>
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">I have read it twice now and I
                    have not seen any specific mention of the "400-foot
                    rule."  Can you cite the section of the document
                    since it appears I missed it?? <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <br>
                      On 6/24/14, 10:47 AM, Peter Vogel wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">I read the full text of their
                        interpretation of the "special rule for model
                        aircraft" last night, I think the potential
                        impact to pattern is their attempt to reinforce
                        the 400 foot altitude limit (with no radius
                        considerations for full scale airports) and
                        extend the full scale airport notification
                        radius to 5 miles (from 3 that was in 91-57) to
                        require notification of model aircraft activity.
                        <o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Their absolute denial of
                          goggle-based FPV (the pilot MUST always
                          maintain LOS to their plane, it's not
                          sufficient to have a spotter ready to take
                          over) is going to create a lot of lawlessness
                          in the FPV community but shouldn't impact
                          pattern.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at
                          7:58 AM, SilentAV8R via NSRCA-discussion <<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
                            target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
                          wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">Actually, the FAA
                                  is now prohibiting FPV of any kind.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-faa-is-trying-to-ban-first-person-view-drone-flights?trk_source=recommended"
                                    target="_blank">http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-faa-is-trying-to-ban-first-person-view-drone-flights?trk_source=recommended</a><br>
                                  <br>
                                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=16474&cid=TW223"
                                    target="_blank">http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=16474&cid=TW223</a><br>
                                  <br>
                                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/uas/media/model_aircraft_spec_rule.pdf"
                                    target="_blank">http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/uas/media/model_aircraft_spec_rule.pdf</a><br>
                                  <br>
                                  Bill <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      On 6/24/14, 7:27 AM, Scott McHarg
                                      via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">Gentlemen,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">This
                                          article was published in USA
                                          Today.  It doesn't really
                                          affect us as Pattern folk but
                                          it is something we should be
                                          cognizant of as well as be on
                                          the lookout at our local
                                          fields for.  The main thing is
                                          that the FAA is allowing FPV
                                          flight but not outside of
                                          visual range.  I've seen many
                                          many people take their quad
                                          copters far beyond visual
                                          range.  Big fines can happen
                                          for sure.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                            style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue"><a
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href="http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2014/06/23/faa-drones-rules-model-hobbyist-plane-pilots/11268597/"
                                              target="_blank">http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2014/06/23/faa-drones-rules-model-hobbyist-plane-pilots/11268597/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">-- <br>
                                        <b><span
                                            style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#3333FF">Scott
                                            A. McHarg</span></b><br>
                                        Sr. Systems Engineer -
                                        Infrastructure<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                <pre>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                <pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                <pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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_______________________________________________<br>
                              NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Director, Fixed Wing Flight
                          Training<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Santa Clara County Model
                          Aircraft Skypark<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Director, Fixed Wing Flight Training<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Santa Clara County Model Aircraft
                Skypark<o:p></o:p></p>
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