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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Yes, that is where they were discussin
the historical perspective of AC 91-57. But that is no longer in
effect.<br>
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On 6/24/14, 5:44 PM, John Fuqua wrote:<br>
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Behalf Of </b>SilentAV8R via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 24, 2014 7:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Vogel<br>
<b>Cc:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Rules<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Can you tell me where that is?? The one
and only pace the FAA ever mentioned 400 feet was in AC
91-57, which is no longer in effect based on their new
"interpretation." Section 336 makes no mention of altitudes
and based on what the FAA is saying is they will selectively
apply specific sections of Part 1 in a case where
enforcement action is required. They even said it would be a
case by case basis. <br>
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This thing is onerous enough without reading more into it
than is there. AMA is crafting a response right now and I
suspect that there will be more clarification coming
shortly. One thing is certain, BLOS and FPV are dead as of
yesterday. No exceptions or wiggle room there.<br>
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Bill<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There are several references to "rules
for model aviation in the NAS already existing in section
91" (where the 400 foot rule exists) with the extended
authorization of the modernization act to operations
within 5 miles of an airport. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 4:48 PM,
SilentAV8R <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have read it twice now and I
have not seen any specific mention of the "400-foot
rule." Can you cite the section of the document
since it appears I missed it?? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I read the full text of their
interpretation of the "special rule for model
aircraft" last night, I think the potential
impact to pattern is their attempt to reinforce
the 400 foot altitude limit (with no radius
considerations for full scale airports) and
extend the full scale airport notification
radius to 5 miles (from 3 that was in 91-57) to
require notification of model aircraft activity.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Their absolute denial of
goggle-based FPV (the pilot MUST always
maintain LOS to their plane, it's not
sufficient to have a spotter ready to take
over) is going to create a lot of lawlessness
in the FPV community but shouldn't impact
pattern.<o:p></o:p></p>
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7:58 AM, SilentAV8R via NSRCA-discussion <<a
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is now prohibiting FPV of any kind.<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Bill <o:p></o:p></p>
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On 6/24/14, 7:27 AM, Scott McHarg
via NSRCA-discussion wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This
article was published in USA
Today. It doesn't really
affect us as Pattern folk but
it is something we should be
cognizant of as well as be on
the lookout at our local
fields for. The main thing is
that the FAA is allowing FPV
flight but not outside of
visual range. I've seen many
many people take their quad
copters far beyond visual
range. Big fines can happen
for sure.<o:p></o:p></p>
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