[NSRCA-discussion] From the Judges Chair

[John Gayer]

That one I agree with because of the asymmetry of the two rolling 
maneuver segments on a straight line. You have yet to convince me that a 
figure nine is asymmetric. Please read my description again and tell me 
where it is wrong.
John
On 4/8/2014 4:21 PM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:
>
> So in years past we've had a 1 ½ snap roll followed by a 2 ½ rolls in 
> the opposite direction.  Where is the center on that maneuver?  The 
> center is the mid-point between the start and finish of the maneuver 
> (including straight line in and straight line out).  There is no 
> definitive middle to these types of maneuvers and so a statement that 
> it is "somewhere in between the 2 ½ rolls" would be accurate as well 
> -- it depends on how fast/slow those rolls were done.
>
> *From:*nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *John 
> Gayer
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2014 3:03 PM
> *To:* General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] From the Judges Chair
>
> Derek,
> "Somewhere in the 3/4 loop portion" is awfully vague and unjudgeable. 
> I could buy anywhere in the 3/4 loop portion but not somewhere.
> The center you are describing would appear to be affected somehow by 
> the entry and exit lines of the maneuver as per your description in 
> the March K-Factor. I don't see that. This maneuver(figure 9) could be 
> described as a single loop with a straight vertical line between the 
> first quadrant and the last three quadrants. What rolls occur do not 
> affect that basic shape. That places the center of the maneuver at the 
> initial pullup into a quarter loop just as it would for a simple loop. 
> The apex of the 3/4 loop would also be on the centerline and so would 
> the return to level flight at the exit.
> As far as the straight line entry and exit being somehow offset, I 
> don't see that either. The entry line ends at the quarter loop pullup 
> and exit line begins upon completion of the 3/4 loop. Those two points 
> should form a vertical line. I see that as the maneuver centerline as 
> well.
> It's certainly true that the aresti shows the wrong center and it is 
> certainly true that the sub-committee chair has the last word but he 
> should be using a better word than "somewhere".
> John
>
> On 4/8/2014 3:22 PM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:
>
>     Anthony,
>
>     This shouldn't be confusing at all... the center of the maneuver
>     is the middle point between the start and end of the maneuver. 
>     How much more simple can it get?   The statement that the "middle
>     should be somewhere in the ¾ loop portion" is correct -- depending
>     on the size of the ¾ loop which must match the radius of the ¼
>     loop from horizontal to vertical when the maneuver starts.  That
>     center portion will change for every pilot as each pilot will fly
>     it differently.
>
>     Your comment about "many outside the US" isn't accurate -- if they
>     see it differently then they are incorrect.  The clarification I
>     got is straight from the F3 sub-committee chair...
>
>     -Derek
>
>     *From:*nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>     <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>     [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of
>     *Anthony Romano
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:27 AM
>     *To:* nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>     <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>     *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] From the Judges Chair
>
>     Would love to see a review of maneuver 13 of the Finals sequence.
>     In the March Kfactor the center was described as "should be the
>     middle of the maneuver somewhere in the ¾ loop portion." While the
>     many outside the US see it that the loop is centered and the
>     Aresti in the latest FAI sporting code show the upline being centered.
>
>     A bit confusing,
>
>     Anthony
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>     Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 09:28:00 -0700
>     From: joncarter60 at comcast.net <mailto:joncarter60 at comcast.net>
>     To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>     <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>     Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] From the Judges Chair
>
>     Hey guys - we got an excellent suggestion from the group for last
>     month's article so I thought I would ask again! Anyone have a
>     burning maneuver or judging question? Just let me know.
>
>     Thanks,
>
>     Jon Carter
>
>     Judging Committee Chairman
>
>     Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S®4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
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