[NSRCA-discussion] From the Judges Chair

[Jas S]

Oh yea, forgot about those lol. Being in a straight line, the 'line' (whole
maneuver) is centered with those.

Someone posted a drawing of the 9 on RCU, and while the center is the whole
maneuver works, isn't it going to be the center of the loops/roll when done
correctly?


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com>wrote:

> So in years past we've had a 1 1/2 snap roll followed by a 2 1/2 rolls in the
> opposite direction.  Where is the center on that maneuver?  The center is
> the mid-point between the start and finish of the maneuver (including
> straight line in and straight line out).  There is no definitive middle to
> these types of maneuvers and so a statement that it is "somewhere in
> between the 2 1/2 rolls" would be accurate as well - it depends on how
> fast/slow those rolls were done.
>
>
>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *John Gayer
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2014 3:03 PM
> *To:* General pattern discussion
>
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] From the Judges Chair
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> Derek,
> "Somewhere in the 3/4 loop portion" is awfully vague and unjudgeable. I
> could buy anywhere in the 3/4 loop portion but not somewhere.
> The center you are describing would appear to be affected somehow by the
> entry and exit lines of the maneuver as per your description in the March
> K-Factor. I don't see that. This maneuver(figure 9) could be described as a
> single loop with a straight vertical line between the first quadrant and
> the last three quadrants. What rolls occur do not affect that basic shape.
> That places the center of the maneuver at the initial pullup into a quarter
> loop just as it would for a simple loop. The apex of the 3/4 loop would
> also be on the centerline and so would the return to level flight at the
> exit.
> As far as the straight line entry and exit being somehow offset, I don't
> see that either. The entry line ends at the quarter loop pullup and exit
> line begins upon completion of the 3/4 loop. Those two points should form a
> vertical line. I see that as the maneuver centerline as well.
> It's certainly true that the aresti shows the wrong center and it is
> certainly true that the sub-committee chair has the last word but he should
> be using a better word than "somewhere".
> John
>
> On 4/8/2014 3:22 PM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:
>
> Anthony,
>
>
>
> This shouldn't be confusing at all... the center of the maneuver is the
> middle point between the start and end of the maneuver.  How much more
> simple can it get?   The statement that the "middle should be somewhere in
> the 3/4 loop portion" is correct - depending on the size of the 3/4 loop which
> must match the radius of the 1/4 loop from horizontal to vertical when the
> maneuver starts.  That center portion will change for every pilot as each
> pilot will fly it differently.
>
>
>
> Your comment about "many outside the US" isn't accurate - if they see it
> differently then they are incorrect.  The clarification I got is straight
> from the F3 sub-committee chair...
>
>
>
> -Derek
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> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [
> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>]
> *On Behalf Of *Anthony Romano
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:27 AM
> *To:* nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] From the Judges Chair
>
>
>
> Would love to see a review of maneuver 13 of the Finals sequence. In the
> March Kfactor the center was described as "should be the middle of the
> maneuver somewhere in the 3/4 loop portion." While the many outside the US
> see it that the loop is centered and the Aresti in the latest FAI sporting
> code show the upline being centered.
>
>
>
> A bit confusing,
>
>
>
> Anthony
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 09:28:00 -0700
> From: joncarter60 at comcast.net
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] From the Judges Chair
>
> Hey guys - we got an excellent suggestion from the group for last month's
> article so I thought I would ask again! Anyone have a burning maneuver or
> judging question? Just let me know.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Jon Carter
>
> Judging Committee Chairman
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