[NSRCA-discussion] What a difference a year makes

[Dave Lockhart]

Hi Bill,

 

I can only claim to be a geologist by education, having spent my career in
the environmental field.  And I am honestly envious of your experience with
the Antartic ice cores.very cool stuff.

 

There is no doubt that specific data sets with specific analyses can show
not only increasing temperatures, but even linkage to human activity.
Skeptical Science is well known left leaning website.  We can disagree on
the politics.

 

If I were not rather busy (to say the least) at the moment building a 43"
long foamy with contra system at a target weight of 85 grams for ETOC, I'd
dig up a number of links that are neutral or contrary to the specific topics
you (Bill) noted.

 

And as I stated before, I'm not advocating all environmental regulations be
canned, but the big picture and a balance of data and perspectives should be
considered.  I spent much of my professional career cleaning up MTBE, which
was forced on the petroleum industry despite warnings it would do more harm
than good.  Just one example of a politically driven knee jerk reaction that
despite intentions of helping the environment ended up harming the
environment.

 

Dave 

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] What a difference a year makes

 

Every good rant deserves a rebuttal. Here's mine.

On 3/20/13 1:17 PM, Dave Lockhart wrote:

The reason for that is some of the same "scientists" that (wrongly) touted
global cooling in the 1970s are the same ones now (wrongly) preaching global
warming.


Which ones are those?? Got any examples?? I think you may have a mistaken
impression of the state of scientific thought at the time as well as today.
This is a good graphic.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics.php?g=43

  

The simple change of language from "global warming" to "climate change"
should be proof enough that global warming is not happening. 

This is not only wrong, but it is kind of a silly "proof". The main reason
that the term has been changed was due to fact that many deniers made silly
comments like "well it snowed here today, so much for global warming". The
more precise term is in fact global climate change. That is being fueled by
the increase in average global temperatures which are drastically affecting
the climate. It is also worth understanding the difference between climate
and weather.  




However, the politicians and greenies that used "global warming" as
justification for bigger government and more government control of the
private sector do not want to lose that traction as the fraud of global
warming is being disproven.

Again, this so wildly misunderstands the issue that it is hard to know where
to start to respond. It is an example of the thinking that Al Gore invented
global warming to take away your SUV.




  So they (the politicians and greenies) are now using "climate change" in a
desperate attempt to tie any naturally occurring climate condition to human
influence.

No, they are using climate change for the reason I stated above.

Here are a few nice graphics for people to look at. 

http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics.php

I'm sorry, but the inability of any one person (or group of people) to
understand something does not mean that the something is wrong. For
instance, there are still people today who think the Earth is flat.

Anthropomorphic influence on global warming/climate change is undeniable. I
will grant that there is still much debate about what, if anything, we can
do about it. But to deny its very existence will render that important
debate nearly impossible.

BTW - for those that wonder. I am a geologist by education and profession.
Way back in 1983 I helped in some of the early research on the deep ice
cores from the Antarctic. This is not a recent science.

End of Rant for me.






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