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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Bill,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I can only claim to be a geologist by education, having spent my career in the environmental field. And I am honestly envious of your experience with the Antartic ice cores…very cool stuff.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There is no doubt that specific data sets with specific analyses can show not only increasing temperatures, but even linkage to human activity. Skeptical Science is well known left leaning website. We can disagree on the politics.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If I were not rather busy (to say the least) at the moment building a 43” long foamy with contra system at a target weight of 85 grams for ETOC, I’d dig up a number of links that are neutral or contrary to the specific topics you (Bill) noted.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And as I stated before, I’m not advocating all environmental regulations be canned, but the big picture and a balance of data and perspectives should be considered. I spent much of my professional career cleaning up MTBE, which was forced on the petroleum industry despite warnings it would do more harm than good. Just one example of a politically driven knee jerk reaction that despite intentions of helping the environment ended up harming the environment.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dave <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill's Email<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:44 PM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] What a difference a year makes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Every good rant deserves a rebuttal. Here's mine.<br><br>On 3/20/13 1:17 PM, Dave Lockhart wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The reason for that is some of the same “scientists” that (wrongly) touted global cooling in the 1970s are the same ones now (wrongly) preaching global warming.</span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br>Which ones are those?? Got any examples?? I think you may have a mistaken impression of the state of scientific thought at the time as well as today. This is a good graphic.<br><br><a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics.php?g=43">http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics.php?g=43</a><br><br><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The simple change of language from “global warming” to “climate change” should be proof enough that global warming is not happening. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>This is not only wrong, but it is kind of a silly "proof". The main reason that the term has been changed was due to fact that many deniers made silly comments like "well it snowed here today, so much for global warming". The more precise term is in fact global climate change. That is being fueled by the increase in average global temperatures which are drastically affecting the climate. It is also worth understanding the difference between climate and weather. <br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>However, the politicians and greenies that used “global warming” as justification for bigger government and more government control of the private sector do not want to lose that traction as the fraud of global warming is being disproven.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Again, this so wildly misunderstands the issue that it is hard to know where to start to respond. It is an example of the thinking that Al Gore invented global warming to take away your SUV.<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> So they (the politicians and greenies) are now using “climate change” in a desperate attempt to tie any naturally occurring climate condition to human influence.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>No, they are using climate change for the reason I stated above.<br><br>Here are a few nice graphics for people to look at. <br><br><a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics.php">http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics.php</a><br><br>I'm sorry, but the inability of any one person (or group of people) to understand something does not mean that the something is wrong. For instance, there are still people today who think the Earth is flat.<br><br>Anthropomorphic influence on global warming/climate change is undeniable. I will grant that there is still much debate about what, if anything, we can do about it. But to deny its very existence will render that important debate nearly impossible.<br><br>BTW - for those that wonder. I am a geologist by education and profession. Way back in 1983 I helped in some of the early research on the deep ice cores from the Antarctic. This is not a recent science.<br><br>End of Rant for me.<br><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>