[NSRCA-discussion] CIAM Meeting Representation

Wed Mar 13 06:54:49 AKDT 2013

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On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Keith Hoard <klhoard at hotmail.com> wrote:

> FAI is just another entitlement program.  It is all clear to me now!!!!
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Ronald Van Putte
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 8:22 AM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] CIAM Meeting Representation
> Mark will not believe this, but his response made me start thinking.  For 
> years, all the SIGs involved with the FAI have been having the AMA pay fees 
> to the FAI to support our relationship with them.  In essence, AMA has been 
> taxing all AMA members via the dues so that AMA could pay the FAI on our 
> behalf.  If that doesn't sound like welfare, I'm not sure what does.  I 
> think it's time we pay our own way and stop expecting all AMA members to 
> assist us.  However, if all SIGs start paying the FAI in lieu of the AMA 
> doing it, it is reasonable to expect a reduction in AMA dues.
> Ron Van Putte
> On Mar 13, 2013, at 7:51 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>> It would be much cheaper to just get everyone to anti up $1.50 in 
>> additional dues, or try to allocate that in the budget.
>>
>> This really is important to our facet of the hobby, and it's not that much 
>> money when we're only talking about our niche.  The challenge for the AMA 
>> is that the collection of "niches" keeps getting bigger (now we've added 
>> F3P?) so there's more and more areas to represent, and fewer and fewer 
>> participants in each area.
>>
>>
>> Mark Atwood
>> Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Direct: 440-229-2502
>> Fax: 440.684.3102
>> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com  |  www.paragon-inc.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2013, at 9:42 PM, John Fuqua <johnfuqua at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> If it's a numbers thing what if everybody just paid the for an FAI stamp. 
>> I
>> used to buy one long ago when I flew in Team selection events.  I do not
>> think it is very expensive.  Anybody know what it the currently costs?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, 
>> Mark
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 7:12 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] CIAM Meeting Representation
>>
>> We can run off and vilify the AMA over this, but I think some of the 
>> reality
>> is that there are soooooo many niche's in the FAI program that trying to
>> determine how to completely support them all is financially impractical in
>> this day and age.  Yes, we're one of the pillars, but our total
>> participation at the FAI level is actually VERY low.  I think a total of 
>> 10
>> people this past cycle.  That in itself is a problem, but regardless, it
>> become difficult for the AMA to support sending a rep for every FAI 
>> program
>> that has 10 paying participants.    I just checked.. .we had 11 
>> participants
>> in 2012 and 11 in 2010.  Control line scale had about the same.
>>
>> We should strongly consider trying to work this into the NSRCA budget in
>> some way.  It's important to us collectively, regardless of the total 
>> number
>> that actually pay for an FAI stamp.  They lead the program that we follow,
>> and establish all the rules for our international competitions.  It's
>> important that we (the NSRCA) have a voice at the table.
>>
>> Just my $0.02
>>
>>
>> Mark Atwood
>> Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Direct: 440-229-2502
>> Fax: 440.684.3102
>> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com>  |
>> www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Derek Koopowitz
>> <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com<mailto:derekkoopowitz at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Airfare alone is about $1100 and then there is food/accommodations for 3
>> nights, train fare from Zurich to Lausanne and back... I would estimate at
>> least another $800 everything else.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Peter Vogel
>> <vogel.peter at gmail.com<mailto:vogel.peter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> How much would you need?
>>
>> And Ron, I think that's exactly what it is.  It's part of why I voted
>> against Bob Brown, he said as much in his campaign statement...
>>
>> Peter+
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Derek Koopowitz
>> <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com<mailto:derekkoopowitz at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> That is true, Bill.  I was sent a letter by the AMA stating that travel
>> expenses would not be paid for and that I could attend if I paid for 
>> myself
>> or the NSRCA paid for me to attend.
>>
>> I can only believe that this will only further isolate us (F3A) from the
>> rest of the world.  Yes, I'm still the rep to CIAM but face-to-face 
>> meetings
>> accomplish so much more than through email.  I had built up a great
>> relationship with the movers/shakers in F3A and now I feel that it will be
>> in jeopardy.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Bill's Email
>> <silentav8r at cox.net<mailto:silentav8r at cox.net>> wrote:
>> Thought you folks might be interested what is going on in the soaring side
>> of the FAI world. A proposal to condense several events, soaring being one
>> of them, has been submitted. The soaring community in the US is taking
>> notice that AMA is not funding the individual area reps to go to the
>> meeting, so the soaring folks have decided to try to fund it themselves.
>> Here's the thread:
>>
>> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=24403409&postcount=1
>>
>> This is the document that has gotten them to do this:
>>
>> http://lomcovak.cz/wp_eng/f3b/2013/03/f3b-world-championship-in-future-cance
>> led/
>>
>> F3A is mentioned, but only in that it should remain as is. F3M is talked
>> about as a target for elimination. Again, this is a proposal submitted for
>> consideration.
>>
>> Thought you might find it interesting. I recall reading that our US F3A 
>> CIAM
>> rep was also told by AMA that they would not fund his travel.
>>
>> Bill in OC
>>
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