<p>As Bloom County (excellent daily comic from the 80's and 90's) put it: "we have met the special interests and they is us!"</p><div><br></div><div>Peter+</div><div class="mailbox_signature">—<br>Sent from <a href="https://bit.ly/SZvoJe">Mailbox</a> for iPhone</div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><p>On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Keith Hoard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:klhoard@hotmail.com" target="_blank">klhoard@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></p><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><p>FAI is just another entitlement program. It is all clear to me now!!!!
<br><br>-----Original Message-----
<br>From: Ronald Van Putte
<br>Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 8:22 AM
<br>To: General pattern discussion
<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] CIAM Meeting Representation
<br><br>Mark will not believe this, but his response made me start thinking. For
<br>years, all the SIGs involved with the FAI have been having the AMA pay fees
<br>to the FAI to support our relationship with them. In essence, AMA has been
<br>taxing all AMA members via the dues so that AMA could pay the FAI on our
<br>behalf. If that doesn't sound like welfare, I'm not sure what does. I
<br>think it's time we pay our own way and stop expecting all AMA members to
<br>assist us. However, if all SIGs start paying the FAI in lieu of the AMA
<br>doing it, it is reasonable to expect a reduction in AMA dues.
<br><br>Ron Van Putte
<br><br>On Mar 13, 2013, at 7:51 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
<br><br>> It would be much cheaper to just get everyone to anti up $1.50 in
<br>> additional dues, or try to allocate that in the budget.
<br>>
<br>> This really is important to our facet of the hobby, and it's not that much
<br>> money when we're only talking about our niche. The challenge for the AMA
<br>> is that the collection of "niches" keeps getting bigger (now we've added
<br>> F3P?) so there's more and more areas to represent, and fewer and fewer
<br>> participants in each area.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Mark Atwood
<br>> Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President
<br>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
<br>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Direct: 440-229-2502
<br>> Fax: 440.684.3102
<br>> mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com | www.paragon-inc.com
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> On Mar 12, 2013, at 9:42 PM, John Fuqua <johnfuqua@embarqmail.com> wrote:
<br>>
<br>> If it's a numbers thing what if everybody just paid the for an FAI stamp.
<br>> I
<br>> used to buy one long ago when I flew in Team selection events. I do not
<br>> think it is very expensive. Anybody know what it the currently costs?
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> -----Original Message-----
<br>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
<br>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood,
<br>> Mark
<br>> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 7:12 PM
<br>> To: General pattern discussion
<br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] CIAM Meeting Representation
<br>>
<br>> We can run off and vilify the AMA over this, but I think some of the
<br>> reality
<br>> is that there are soooooo many niche's in the FAI program that trying to
<br>> determine how to completely support them all is financially impractical in
<br>> this day and age. Yes, we're one of the pillars, but our total
<br>> participation at the FAI level is actually VERY low. I think a total of
<br>> 10
<br>> people this past cycle. That in itself is a problem, but regardless, it
<br>> become difficult for the AMA to support sending a rep for every FAI
<br>> program
<br>> that has 10 paying participants. I just checked.. .we had 11
<br>> participants
<br>> in 2012 and 11 in 2010. Control line scale had about the same.
<br>>
<br>> We should strongly consider trying to work this into the NSRCA budget in
<br>> some way. It's important to us collectively, regardless of the total
<br>> number
<br>> that actually pay for an FAI stamp. They lead the program that we follow,
<br>> and establish all the rules for our international competitions. It's
<br>> important that we (the NSRCA) have a voice at the table.
<br>>
<br>> Just my $0.02
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Mark Atwood
<br>> Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President
<br>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
<br>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Direct: 440-229-2502
<br>> Fax: 440.684.3102
<br>> mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com> |
<br>> www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com/>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> On Mar 12, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Derek Koopowitz
<br>> <derekkoopowitz@gmail.com<mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com>> wrote:
<br>>
<br>> Airfare alone is about $1100 and then there is food/accommodations for 3
<br>> nights, train fare from Zurich to Lausanne and back... I would estimate at
<br>> least another $800 everything else.
<br>>
<br>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Peter Vogel
<br>> <vogel.peter@gmail.com<mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com>> wrote:
<br>> How much would you need?
<br>>
<br>> And Ron, I think that's exactly what it is. It's part of why I voted
<br>> against Bob Brown, he said as much in his campaign statement...
<br>>
<br>> Peter+
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Derek Koopowitz
<br>> <derekkoopowitz@gmail.com<mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com>> wrote:
<br>> That is true, Bill. I was sent a letter by the AMA stating that travel
<br>> expenses would not be paid for and that I could attend if I paid for
<br>> myself
<br>> or the NSRCA paid for me to attend.
<br>>
<br>> I can only believe that this will only further isolate us (F3A) from the
<br>> rest of the world. Yes, I'm still the rep to CIAM but face-to-face
<br>> meetings
<br>> accomplish so much more than through email. I had built up a great
<br>> relationship with the movers/shakers in F3A and now I feel that it will be
<br>> in jeopardy.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Bill's Email
<br>> <silentav8r@cox.net<mailto:silentav8r@cox.net>> wrote:
<br>> Thought you folks might be interested what is going on in the soaring side
<br>> of the FAI world. A proposal to condense several events, soaring being one
<br>> of them, has been submitted. The soaring community in the US is taking
<br>> notice that AMA is not funding the individual area reps to go to the
<br>> meeting, so the soaring folks have decided to try to fund it themselves.
<br>> Here's the thread:
<br>>
<br>> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=24403409&postcount=1
<br>>
<br>> This is the document that has gotten them to do this:
<br>>
<br>> http://lomcovak.cz/wp_eng/f3b/2013/03/f3b-world-championship-in-future-cance
<br>> led/
<br>>
<br>> F3A is mentioned, but only in that it should remain as is. F3M is talked
<br>> about as a target for elimination. Again, this is a proposal submitted for
<br>> consideration.
<br>>
<br>> Thought you might find it interesting. I recall reading that our US F3A
<br>> CIAM
<br>> rep was also told by AMA that they would not fund his travel.
<br>>
<br>> Bill in OC
<br>>
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