[NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA-discussion Digest, Vol 89, Issue 15

Scott McHarg scmcharg at gmail.com
Fri Apr 19 12:26:50 AKDT 2013 

sorry typo...25-27% MAC not 37%.  Sorry again


On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com> wrote:

> +.5 on the wing, stab at 0 and 25-37% MAC for CG is an excellent place to
> start.
>
> You can calculate MAC of your wing here
> http://www.scaleaero.com/mac_page.htm
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Anthony Romano <anthonyr105 at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Another stab in the dark. (no pun intended)
>>
>> Is there a weight difference between engines?
>>
>> Have you checked both that both wings are set to the
>> same incidence? Small differences can cause a serious roll.
>>
>> I don't remember my cg but was probably around +1/2 degree positive in
>> the wing and it was a solid plane.
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:18:57 -0500
>> From: scmcharg at gmail.com
>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA-discussion Digest, Vol 89, Issue 15
>>
>>
>> Questions:
>>
>> 1. Is it the same once up in the air regardless of throttle setting?  In
>> other words, does it do the same thing at idle as it does with power?
>> 2. Have you checked your programmable mixing to make sure there isn't
>> anything on that shouldn't be on?  If it is on, could there be a wrong
>> channel selected?
>>
>> If it flew well before (and this is verified), you need to look at what
>> has changed.  Radio, motor, etc.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Kc2pk at aol.com <kc2pk at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> The plane takes off climbing and rolling left. I can barely be held with
>> stick control, but the deflection requ irked is too much for just trim. I
>> have checked the wing and stab incidences which are close to zero-zero with
>> a Robert incidence meter. Balance is close to the wing tube after 2.5 oz
>> lead attached to the rear of the balsa firewall. The previous owners said
>> that it flew well with a yS 1.60dz, and I am using a 1.40 L. The small
>> difference just can't be the cause. I could understand the pitch problem
>> with a bad CG, but not the rolling.  I have ordered a new incidence meter
>> from central hobbies on the theory that mine Is off, but I really doubt
>> this to to be the problem. Meanwhile I have been flying a Venus2 with an OS
>> 1.20 Ax as well as a curare with a TT .61. I mention this because that are
>> two very different planes and the Hitec aurora 9 transmitter is working
>> flawlessly. The servos are hitec digital 5625's and I see no problem with
>> them on the ground. I wouldn't bo
>>  thering everyone with this if it were not, really frustrating. I am
>> really asking if anyone  has had a similar problem with this specific
>> airframe. It may be a stab in the dark. Fred
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
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>> >   1. Genesis (Fred Jacobs)
>> >   2. Re: Genesis (Randy Forbus)
>> >   3. Re: Genesis (Randy Forbus)
>> >   4. Re: Genesis (ehaury)
>> >   5. Re: Genesis (Vicente Planes)
>> >   6. D4 Judging Seminar Update (Ron Hansen)
>> >   7. D4 Contest Calendar (Peter G. Van Heusden)
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>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:55:16 -0400
>> > From: Fred Jacobs <kc2pk at icloud.com>
>> > To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
>> >    <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis
>> > Message-ID: <FA4C8E31-4786-4B0A-A326-93D8ECF406BD at icloud.com>
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>> >
>> > I have recently aquired a Chip Hype Genesis. The plane is powered by
>> aYS 1.40L and balances just ahead of the wing tube with 2.5 oz. lead
>> attached to the rear of the firewall. The problem is that the plane is
>> almost unflyable. I have flown it four times, found it to be all over the
>> sky and have been unable to trim it reliably at all.  I have some
>> questions. Where is the CG recommended to be? Has anyone else had this
>> problem. I have been flying for twenty years in pattern and have never had
>> this problem before. I have discussed the problem with my flying buddy, a
>> masters class flyer of great skill, but without resolution. The fact that I
>> have able to land the plane without damage has been nothing short of
>> miraculous. Any help would be appreciated.  Fred
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 22:54:48 +0000
>> > From: Randy Forbus <rforbus at hotmail.com>
>> > To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
>> >    <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis
>> > Message-ID: <COL125-W1896FB62EC2ECB8128F53EA2CF0 at phx.gbl>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >
>> > what do you mean by unflyable, most modern 2 meter pattern plane
>> balance just at the front edge of the wing tube, or the middle of the wing
>> tube, what does it do to make it unflyable
>> >
>> >> From: kc2pk at icloud.com
>> >> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:55:16 -0400
>> >> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> >> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I have recently aquired a Chip Hype Genesis. The plane is powered by
>> aYS 1.40L and balances just ahead of the wing tube with 2.5 oz. lead
>> attached to the rear of the firewall. The problem is that the plane is
>> almost unflyable. I have flown it four times, found it to be all over the
>> sky and have been unable to trim it reliably at all.  I have some
>> questions. Where is the CG recommended to be? Has anyone else had this
>> problem. I have been flying for twenty years in pattern and have never had
>> this problem before. I have discussed the problem with my flying buddy, a
>> masters class flyer of great skill, but without resolution. The fact that I
>> have able to land the plane without damage has been nothing short of
>> miraculous. Any help would be appreciated.  Fred
>> >> Sent from my iPad
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>> > Message: 3
>> > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 22:57:40 +0000
>> > From: Randy Forbus <rforbus at hotmail.com>
>> > To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
>> >    <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis
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>> > Besides the cg I would be looking at the wing and stab incidences, .5
>> positive on the wing is a good place to start and 0 on the stab.
>> >
>> >> From: kc2pk at icloud.com
>> >> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:55:16 -0400
>> >> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> >> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I have recently aquired a Chip Hype Genesis. The plane is powered by
>> aYS 1.40L and balances just ahead of the wing tube with 2.5 oz. lead
>> attached to the rear of the firewall. The problem is that the plane is
>> almost unflyable. I have flown it four times, found it to be all over the
>> sky and have been unable to trim it reliably at all.  I have some
>> questions. Where is the CG recommended to be? Has anyone else had this
>> problem. I have been flying for twenty years in pattern and have never had
>> this problem before. I have discussed the problem with my flying buddy, a
>> masters class flyer of great skill, but without resolution. The fact that I
>> have able to land the plane without damage has been nothing short of
>> miraculous. Any help would be appreciated.  Fred
>> >> Sent from my iPad
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
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>> > Message: 4
>> > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:08:58 -0500
>> > From: ehaury <ejhaury at comcast.net>
>> > To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis
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>> > Sure you don't have + expo w a Futaba TX?
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Apr 18, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Randy Forbus <rforbus at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Besides the cg I would be looking at the wing and stab incidences, .5
>> positive on the wing is a good place to start and 0 on the stab.
>> >>
>> >>> From: kc2pk at icloud.com
>> >>> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:55:16 -0400
>> >>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> >>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I have recently aquired a Chip Hype Genesis. The plane is powered by
>> aYS 1.40L and balances just ahead of the wing tube with 2.5 oz. lead
>> attached to the rear of the firewall. The problem is that the plane is
>> almost unflyable. I have flown it four times, found it to be all over the
>> sky and have been unable to trim it reliably at all. I have some questions.
>> Where is the CG recommended to be? Has anyone else had this problem. I have
>> been flying for twenty years in pattern and have never had this problem
>> before. I have discussed the problem with my flying buddy, a masters class
>> flyer of great skill, but without resolution. The fact that I have able to
>> land the plane without damage has been nothing short of miraculous. Any
>> help would be appreciated. Fred
>> >>> Sent from my iPad
>> >>> _______________________________________________
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>> > Message: 5
>> > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:29:58 -0500
>> > From: Vicente Planes <vicenterc at comcast.net>
>> > To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> > Cc: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis
>> > Message-ID: <C4F17E25-3ACC-47E0-BD05-559E969C2B49 at comcast.net>
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>> > Combined with really bad servos.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Apr 18, 2013, at 6:08 PM, ehaury <ejhaury at comcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Sure you don't have + expo w a Futaba TX?
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >> On Apr 18, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Randy Forbus <rforbus at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Besides the cg I would be looking at the wing and stab incidences, .5
>> positive on the wing is a good place to start and 0 on the stab.
>> >>>
>> >>>> From: kc2pk at icloud.com
>> >>>> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:55:16 -0400
>> >>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> >>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I have recently aquired a Chip Hype Genesis. The plane is powered by
>> aYS 1.40L and balances just ahead of the wing tube with 2.5 oz. lead
>> attached to the rear of the firewall. The problem is that the plane is
>> almost unflyable. I have flown it four times, found it to be all over the
>> sky and have been unable to trim it reliably at all. I have some questions.
>> Where is the CG recommended to be? Has anyone else had this problem. I have
>> been flying for twenty years in pattern and have never had this problem
>> before. I have discussed the problem with my flying buddy, a masters class
>> flyer of great skill, but without resolution. The fact that I have able to
>> land the plane without damage has been nothing short of miraculous. Any
>> help would be appreciated. Fred
>> >>>> Sent from my iPad
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> >>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> >>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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>> > Message: 6
>> > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 22:08:55 -0400
>> > From: "Ron Hansen" <rcpilot at wowway.com>
>> > To: "NSCRA Discussion List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4 Judging Seminar Update
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>> > I posted directions to the D4 Judging Seminar on RCUniverse.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The classroom stuff will be at the Grove City Church of the Nazarene.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Contact me if you have any questions.
>> >
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>> > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:33:03 -0400
>> > From: "Peter G. Van Heusden" <petervh at malibutech.com>
>> > To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
>> >    <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> > Cc: "Peter G. Van Heusden" <petervh at malibutech.com>
>> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4 Contest Calendar
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>> > Tom Brett Memorial Pattern Contest
>> > September 7-8, 2013
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>> > Last chance before district championship to get points.
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>> > Hope to see everybody here.
>> > Flyer attached.
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>> > Let's get flying
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