<div dir="ltr">sorry typo...25-27% MAC not 37%. Sorry again</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Scott McHarg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com" target="_blank">scmcharg@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">+.5 on the wing, stab at 0 and 25-37% MAC for CG is an excellent place to start.<div><br></div><div>You can calculate MAC of your wing here</div>
<div><a href="http://www.scaleaero.com/mac_page.htm" target="_blank">http://www.scaleaero.com/mac_page.htm</a><br>
</div><div><br></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Anthony Romano <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:anthonyr105@hotmail.com" target="_blank">anthonyr105@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><div dir="ltr">Another stab in the dark. (no pun intended)<br>
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Is there a weight difference between engines?<br>
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Have you checked both that both wings are set to the same incidence? Small differences can cause a serious roll.<br>
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I don't remember my cg but was probably around +1/2 degree positive in the wing and it was a solid plane.<br>
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Anthony<br> <br>
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:18:57 -0500<br>From: <a href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com" target="_blank">scmcharg@gmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Questions:
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<div>1. Is it the same once up in the air regardless of throttle setting? In other words, does it do the same thing at idle as it does with power?</div>
<div>2. Have you checked your programmable mixing to make sure there isn't anything on that shouldn't be on? If it is on, could there be a wrong channel selected?</div>
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<div>If it flew well before (and this is verified), you need to look at what has changed. Radio, motor, etc.</div>
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<div>Scott</div></div>
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<div>On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:12 PM, <a href="mailto:Kc2pk@aol.com" target="_blank">Kc2pk@aol.com</a> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kc2pk@aol.com" target="_blank">kc2pk@aol.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;PADDING-LEFT:1ex">The plane takes off climbing and rolling left. I can barely be held with stick control, but the deflection requ irked is too much for just trim. I have checked the wing and stab incidences which are close to zero-zero with a Robert incidence meter. Balance is close to the wing tube after 2.5 oz lead attached to the rear of the balsa firewall. The previous owners said that it flew well with a yS 1.60dz, and I am using a 1.40 L. The small difference just can't be the cause. I could understand the pitch problem with a bad CG, but not the rolling. I have ordered a new incidence meter from central hobbies on the theory that mine Is off, but I really doubt this to to be the problem. Meanwhile I have been flying a Venus2 with an OS 1.20 Ax as well as a curare with a TT .61. I mention this because that are two very different planes and the Hitec aurora 9 transmitter is working flawlessly. The servos are hitec digital 5625's and I see no problem with them on the ground. I wouldn't bo<br>
thering everyone with this if it were not, really frustrating. I am really asking if anyone has had a similar problem with this specific airframe. It may be a stab in the dark. Fred<br><br>Sent from my iPad<br><br>On Apr 19, 2013, at 4:00 PM, <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-request@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-request@lists.nsrca.org</a> wrote:<br>
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><br>><br>> I have recently aquired a Chip Hype Genesis. The plane is powered by aYS 1.40L and balances just ahead of the wing tube with 2.5 oz. lead attached to the rear of the firewall. The problem is that the plane is almost unflyable. I have flown it four times, found it to be all over the sky and have been unable to trim it reliably at all. I have some questions. Where is the CG recommended to be? Has anyone else had this problem. I have been flying for twenty years in pattern and have never had this problem before. I have discussed the problem with my flying buddy, a masters class flyer of great skill, but without resolution. The fact that I have able to land the plane without damage has been nothing short of miraculous. Any help would be appreciated. Fred<br>
> Sent from my iPad<br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 2<br>> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 22:54:48 +0000<br>> From: Randy Forbus <<a href="mailto:rforbus@hotmail.com" target="_blank">rforbus@hotmail.com</a>><br>
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis<br>> Message-ID: <COL125-W1896FB62EC2ECB8128F53EA2CF0@phx.gbl><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>><br>> what do you mean by unflyable, most modern 2 meter pattern plane balance just at the front edge of the wing tube, or the middle of the wing tube, what does it do to make it unflyable<br>
><br>>> From: <a href="mailto:kc2pk@icloud.com" target="_blank">kc2pk@icloud.com</a><br>>> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:55:16 -0400<br>>> To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis<br>>><br>>><br>>> I have recently aquired a Chip Hype Genesis. The plane is powered by aYS 1.40L and balances just ahead of the wing tube with 2.5 oz. lead attached to the rear of the firewall. The problem is that the plane is almost unflyable. I have flown it four times, found it to be all over the sky and have been unable to trim it reliably at all. I have some questions. Where is the CG recommended to be? Has anyone else had this problem. I have been flying for twenty years in pattern and have never had this problem before. I have discussed the problem with my flying buddy, a masters class flyer of great skill, but without resolution. The fact that I have able to land the plane without damage has been nothing short of miraculous. Any help would be appreciated. Fred<br>
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> To: "<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>"<br>> <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis<br>> Message-ID: <COL125-W18D95C57FE5138A83E8726A2CF0@phx.gbl><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>><br>> Besides the cg I would be looking at the wing and stab incidences, .5 positive on the wing is a good place to start and 0 on the stab.<br>
><br>>> From: <a href="mailto:kc2pk@icloud.com" target="_blank">kc2pk@icloud.com</a><br>>> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:55:16 -0400<br>>> To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis<br>>><br>>><br>>> I have recently aquired a Chip Hype Genesis. The plane is powered by aYS 1.40L and balances just ahead of the wing tube with 2.5 oz. lead attached to the rear of the firewall. The problem is that the plane is almost unflyable. I have flown it four times, found it to be all over the sky and have been unable to trim it reliably at all. I have some questions. Where is the CG recommended to be? Has anyone else had this problem. I have been flying for twenty years in pattern and have never had this problem before. I have discussed the problem with my flying buddy, a masters class flyer of great skill, but without resolution. The fact that I have able to land the plane without damage has been nothing short of miraculous. Any help would be appreciated. Fred<br>
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><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 4<br>> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:08:58 -0500<br>> From: ehaury <<a href="mailto:ejhaury@comcast.net" target="_blank">ejhaury@comcast.net</a>><br>
> To: General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis<br>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:AA02D9AE-28D1-4E0A-8752-C3B011C270F3@comcast.net" target="_blank">AA02D9AE-28D1-4E0A-8752-C3B011C270F3@comcast.net</a>><br>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>><br>> Sure you don't have + expo w a Futaba TX?<br>><br>> Sent from my iPhone<br>><br>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Randy Forbus <<a href="mailto:rforbus@hotmail.com" target="_blank">rforbus@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>>> Besides the cg I would be looking at the wing and stab incidences, .5 positive on the wing is a good place to start and 0 on the stab.<br>>><br>>>> From: <a href="mailto:kc2pk@icloud.com" target="_blank">kc2pk@icloud.com</a><br>
>>> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:55:16 -0400<br>>>> To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis<br>
>>><br>>>><br>>>> I have recently aquired a Chip Hype Genesis. The plane is powered by aYS 1.40L and balances just ahead of the wing tube with 2.5 oz. lead attached to the rear of the firewall. The problem is that the plane is almost unflyable. I have flown it four times, found it to be all over the sky and have been unable to trim it reliably at all. I have some questions. Where is the CG recommended to be? Has anyone else had this problem. I have been flying for twenty years in pattern and have never had this problem before. I have discussed the problem with my flying buddy, a masters class flyer of great skill, but without resolution. The fact that I have able to land the plane without damage has been nothing short of miraculous. Any help would be appreciated. Fred<br>
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><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 5<br>> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:29:58 -0500<br>> From: Vicente Planes <<a href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net" target="_blank">vicenterc@comcast.net</a>><br>
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><br>> Combined with really bad servos.<br>><br>> Sent from my iPhone<br>><br>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 6:08 PM, ehaury <<a href="mailto:ejhaury@comcast.net" target="_blank">ejhaury@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>>> Sure you don't have + expo w a Futaba TX?<br>>><br>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>>><br>>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Randy Forbus <<a href="mailto:rforbus@hotmail.com" target="_blank">rforbus@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>>>> Besides the cg I would be looking at the wing and stab incidences, .5 positive on the wing is a good place to start and 0 on the stab.<br>>>><br>>>>> From: <a href="mailto:kc2pk@icloud.com" target="_blank">kc2pk@icloud.com</a><br>
>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:55:16 -0400<br>>>>> To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis<br>
>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> I have recently aquired a Chip Hype Genesis. The plane is powered by aYS 1.40L and balances just ahead of the wing tube with 2.5 oz. lead attached to the rear of the firewall. The problem is that the plane is almost unflyable. I have flown it four times, found it to be all over the sky and have been unable to trim it reliably at all. I have some questions. Where is the CG recommended to be? Has anyone else had this problem. I have been flying for twenty years in pattern and have never had this problem before. I have discussed the problem with my flying buddy, a masters class flyer of great skill, but without resolution. The fact that I have able to land the plane without damage has been nothing short of miraculous. Any help would be appreciated. Fred<br>
>>>> Sent from my iPad<br>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>>>>> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
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