[NSRCA-discussion] Executive Board voting

Wed Nov 21 05:29:16 AKST 2012

In my view..

There really is not any difference in the snail mail copy or the downloaded
copy..except the expense to the NSRCA of mailing..and timely delivery.

It really is too easy to just print it yourself.I never read it on the
monitor.ever..the whole operation takes me less than 1 minute.then read it
when you can or when you want to.

I have never thrown out any of the hard copies of the mailed KF since 84'
and I don't intend to...but..I am starting to get concerned at how much
space they are taking up.

I have spent far more time storing these hardcopies than I would have ever
spent handling a digital copy.

The KF is the only magazine I have kept except for some Grid Leaks and MAN
from the 50's.

I really am kind of surprised at some of the comments that have been made..

I would rather see it all digital..right now..

It really is not a big deal.

Dave Harmon

NSRCA 586

K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net

Sperry, Ok.

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of George Kennie
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 7:49 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Executive Board voting

Right on the money Jerry!

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Jerry Stebbins <Jastebbins at att.net> wrote:

Unfortunately, it makes an unwarranted assumption that a majority of the
Membershp visit the website frequently enough to use it as their principal
means of getting ongoing key information. Many of us visit as we need, not
because we "have to" each week to keep up with what is going on. I for one
still use the K Factor as my principle interface to find out what is going
on. Digital forces me to committ/spend time in front of my moniter until I
have read it all, and it is hard to allocate that kind of time, when I can
pick up and read  the printed copy as I have time and the inclination.

If you do go all digital I bet there will be fewer read it as consistently,
and thoroughly as they do now.

Having been there, I know how easy it is to miss stuff, so take my comments
in that light. 

I just happen to agree with Jon that until NSRCA goes all digital, the
printed copy is where most will get, and expect, their info. 

Jerry

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Jim Quinn <mailto:jaqfly at prodigy.net>  

To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:59 PM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Executive Board voting

Very well said, Scott.

Jim Quinn 

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From: Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Mon, November 19, 2012 10:18:49 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Executive Board voting

Requests for nominations were posted on the home page of the NSRCA website
for over one month. Board minutes from September 27 listed the nominations.
The Facebook page also reminded participants about turning in nominations.
I am uncertain about the list but I will also check to see if something was
sent out to the list.  If we missed this list, it was a mistake by the
board.  I think I speak for every single individual that volunteers to fill
these positions....there is nothing more that we'd rather see than more
participation in helping, volunteering and contributing to our organization.
Many times, these positions are filled because no one else wants to.  

Scott  

On Nov 19, 2012 8:59 PM, "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com> wrote:

I'm a little concerned about the nomination process this year.  I didn't
remember seeing an announcement on this list that nominations were being
solicited, so I did a search in the list archives.  Didn't find anything.
Then I looked at the online K-Factors.  Hmmm, a brief mention in Jim Quinn's
column in the October issue (which I still haven't received in the mail),
and nothing in the November issue that I could find (I haven't received that
one either).  I haven't found anything else.

I did find a lot of griping by the current NSRCA board members in the online
November K-Factor about an alleged lack of transparency in the Contest Board
procedures for the proposed rules changes that were all voted down.  I guess
I see a lack of tranparency here for the NSRCA board nominations.  The first
I knew that anyone had been nominated was today when I received the email
here asking us to vote.  In years past, we gave the nominees an opportunity
to provide their thoughts on why they should be elected.  Whatever happened
to that?

Did I miss something?  

Oh, and about the Contest Board.  Their process is well documented by the
AMA and follows a strict time table.  We all had the opportunity to provide
inputs and cross proposals after the initial vote.  We also had the
opportunity to talk to the CB members, and I did talk to a couple of them.
The CB members are mostly active members of the pattern community, are well
known, and are charted by the AMA, not the NSRCA, to look at rules proposals
to benefit all AMA participants, not just NSRCA members. Problems with the
NSRCA proposals were hashed out here, and the submitters had the opportunity
to fix issues during the cross proposal process.  How much follow-up contact
did the NSRCA board initiate with the CB during the process?  Were any cross
proposals submitted?

Flame suit on...

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Vogel <vogel.peter at gmail.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:55 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Executive Board voting

I confess I don't understand why folks would vote for someone who didn't
want to be bothered to put their name in the very small hat...  I'd rather
vote for someone committed to doing a good job in the position...   

For me that means Jon Carter, the fact that I know him and know his level of
commitment to the sport and the quality of his thinking, not to mention his
coaching helps, but I don't think it would matter if he were on the east
coast and I were here in CA, because he stepped up as the sole volunteer for
a difficult position amongst some of the most compulsive-obsessive freaks (I
count myself in that description) in RC...

Peter+

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com> wrote:

If a guy who wins the popular vote that is a write-in and that person
accepts the nomination, I would assume that person wins and takes the
office.  If the write-in declines, it would defer to the person with the
next largest amount of votes. 

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Ronald Van Putte <vanputter at gmail.com>
wrote:

So if a guy whose name is not an "accepted nominee" wins, we start voting
for that office over?  Or does the election process defer to an "accepted
nominee"? 

Ron

On Nov 19, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Jon Lowe wrote:

Because someone wrote them in.  I like the choice.

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputter at gmail.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:52 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Executive Board voting

If some are not "accepted nominations", why are their names on the ballot?

Ron

On Nov 19, 2012, at 6:44 PM, Scott McHarg wrote:

Good evening guys, 

   During the voting process, there have been a few write-in votes.  This is
GREAT!  Please, keep in mind, however, that write-in votes are not truly
accepted nominations.  Some of the write-in votes are for people that have
already voted for others.  In other words, they probably don't even know
they have been nominated.  There is absolutely nothing wrong voting for
write-in candidates but you may want to make sure they know they have been
nominated.  We are trying to keep up with the voting to place "Write-In
candidate" next to those names.  Due to a restriction in the software,
write-in candidates will display in the choices.  The following are accepted
nominations by the nominees.  All others are write-ins.

President - Jon Carter

VP - Don Atwood

Secretary - Scott McHarg

Treasurer - John Gayer

Warmest Regards and Happy Thanksgiving,

Scott

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