[NSRCA-discussion] 2012 NATS Update

Phil S. chuenkan at comcast.net
Thu Jul 12 14:43:15 AKDT 2012


Way to GO!!!  That's a thinking Volunteer -- don't think the guy who 
turned "volunteer" into a passive verb understood the joke he was making...

On 7/12/2012 10:56 AM, Keith Hoard wrote:
> Have the person administering the exam take their $5 - cash, check, 
> EBT card, used glow plugs, whatever - right there on the spot.  Then 
> the admin just uses his own Paypal and pockets the cash.
>
> Keith Hoard
> Collierville, TN
> khoard at gmail.com <mailto:khoard at gmail.com>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com 
> <mailto:scmcharg at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Earl,
>        The only issue with that would be if someone pays by e-check
>     instead of a credit card through PayPal.  The e-checks take
>     several days to clear and the system cannot allow the user to take
>     the exam until the e-check clears.  If they pay via credit card,
>     that wouldn't be a problem.
>
>     Scott
>
>
>     On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:08 AM, ehaury <ejhaury at comcast.net
>     <mailto:ejhaury at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
>         Why not just have a PC available Sunday that folks can use to
>         certify online? Maybe someone to help with the process?
>         Earl
>
>             ----- Original Message -----
>             *From:* Archie Stafford <mailto:astafford at md.metrocast.net>
>             *To:* General pattern discussion
>             <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> ;
>             jonlowe at aol.com <mailto:jonlowe at aol.com>
>             *Sent:* Thursday, July 12, 2012 8:36 AM
>             *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2012 NATS Update
>
>             I am not against having a certification meeting, if
>             someone wants to step up and give it.  We have a room we
>             can use if needed.
>
>             Archie
>
>
>
>             *On Thu 07/12/12 9:31 AM , jonlowe at aol.com
>             <mailto:jonlowe at aol.com> sent:
>             *
>
>                 Thanks. Good to know.
>
>                 However the front page of the Nsrca site also talks
>                 about a certification meeting after registration on
>                 Sunday afternoon.
>
>                 Jon
>                 -- 
>                 Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please
>                 excuse my brevity.
>
>                 Scott McHarg wrote:
>
>                     Jon,
>                     As far as non-NSRCA members are concerned (and
>                     solely for future reference), one does not need to
>                     join the NSRCA in order to create a User ID and
>                     password for the site.  That doesn't help "right
>                     now" but that part is not an issue.
>
>                     Scott
>
>                     On Jul 12, 2012 8:21 AM, <jonlowe at aol.com> wrote:
>
>                         Arch,
>                         While this doesn't affect me, the letter you
>                         sent out with the registration confirmation
>                         says that judging certification is on Sunday
>                         on the schedule of events on the first page.
>                         Many Nsrca members are not on this list. How
>                         are they supposed to know there isn't a
>                         certification meeting? Since it is in the
>                         official material, looks like a protest in
>                         waiting. Further, there is nothing that says
>                         you have to be an Nsrca member to fly in the
>                         Nats. How do they get certified if they can't
>                         get a user name and password for the Nsrca
>                         site? IMHO it is way too late to change what
>                         the official mailing stated.
>
>                         Jon
>                         -- 
>                         Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail.
>                         Please excuse my brevity.
>
>                         Archie Stafford <astafford at md.metrocast.net>
>                         wrote:
>
>                             The 2012 NATS are quickly approaching and
>                             I wanted to send out a final update. 
>                             Derek Koopowitz has created a site that
>                             will be the center for NATS updates.  On
>                             this site you can get all of your
>                             information as well as see the overview of
>                             what is going on.  You will notice a few
>                             things that are slightly different this
>                             year.  We are going to try a few things
>                             and see what happens.
>
>                             First, for anyone flying Masters, you will
>                             notice the flight orders are different
>                             than the past.  In previous years, the
>                             groupings were established and you were
>                             stuck flying in front of, or behind the
>                             same guy all 6 rounds.  This year, we have
>                             used the grouping as always, but since
>                             each day is a new contest, we combined the
>                             two groups on a site that day.  This
>                             allows guys in their same group to call
>                             for each other, without having that person
>                             be directly behind them.  It also will
>                             allow people to follow and be in front of
>                             different pilots each day.  Your flight
>                             order inside your group is essentially
>                             unchanged, but there will be someone from
>                             the other group between pilots in a group
>                             for the most part, except when one group
>                             is smaller than the other.
>
>                             Second, we are going to try something new
>                             for the judging of the finals.  This is
>                             not on that sheet, as we haven't created
>                             the finals judges, but after talking with
>                             Earl Haury, our plan is to identify
>                             ideally 25+ judges for a pool.  This will
>                             allow us to have judges for both Masters
>                             and FAI, but never having a judge have to
>                             judge the same sequence twice.  We will
>                             use 5 Masters judges, 10 FAI judges, and 2
>                             zero judges for the unknowns.  The plan
>                             would be that a judge would just 1 round
>                             of Masters and 1 round of FAI, either an
>                             unknown or a known.  Obviously, with only
>                             25 judges and above parameters, a few
>                             judges would end up judging a round of
>                             Masters, a round of known, and a round of
>                             unknown.  This will keep people from
>                             having to be on the Masters site more than
>                             1 round, and also, help with the problem
>                             in the past of guys judging rounds of
>                             Masters back to back.
>
>                             Third, there will be no judges
>                             certifcation this year on site.  With the
>                             ability to do this online, it eliminates
>                             the need to have one on site.
>
>                             Next, you will notice that we are still
>                             short judges on Wednesday.  If you are
>                             willing to step up and judge a second
>                             time, please let me know so that we can
>                             begin to fill in some of these holes. In
>                             previous years, we have had to scramble on
>                             site to locate more judges, but we are
>                             hopeful that by putting this information
>                             out early that a few people will volunteer
>                             to fill these slots prior to being on site.
>
>                             Also, please buy your banquet tickets
>                             EARLY.  This year, it will be on the AMA
>                             site at the McCullough room, which is
>                             located adjacent to the museum.  It is
>                             being catered by Johnny Corrino's and we
>                             will have a choice of the different types
>                             of pasta as well as salad and a dessert. 
>                             We will have an open CASH bar on site as
>                             well.  Banquet tickets will be only
>                             $15.00.  We will have an open CASH bar on
>                             site as well.  At the banquet this year,
>                             since it is on Wednesday, we will hand out
>                             Intermediate, and Advanced awards in front
>                             of everyone.  FAI, and Masters finalists,
>                             will be announced, flight orders drawn,
>                             and the unknowns will be handed out to the
>                             FAI pilots.
>
>                             Finally,
>
>                             I want to say a huge thank you to everyone
>                             who has helped put all this together.  I
>                             can not thank Scott Smith enough for the
>                             job he has done developing a new scoring
>                             software which made this all possible. 
>                             Not only does it continuously keep score
>                             for Masters and FAI, even with the Matrix,
>                             but it also is capable of creating flight
>                             orders, and the judging matrix.  This will
>                             be an incredibly valuable tool, even on a
>                             local level.  Scott did all of this purely
>                             as a volunteer and I have no idea how many
>                             hundreds of hours of his own time he
>                             devoted to this.  By using his software,
>                             as soon as a round is complete, even if
>                             Masters and FAI, we can export the file as
>                             a .pdf and Pete Cosky will then load it on
>                             to the NATS website on the NSRCA page. 
>                             Our goal is within 30 minutes to 1 hour of
>                             the conclusion of flying that the scores
>                             will be posted on this site.
>
>                             OK, now for the disclaimer.  This site is
>                             still technically not finished.  We could
>                             have pilots drop out and such, and may
>                             need to fill holes.  Please use this site
>                             as a reference only, and please verify
>                             once you are on site that nothing for you
>                             has changed.  Also, you will notice, as
>                             this site is on a public page, that my
>                             cell phone and Pete's cell phone are X'd
>                             out. On your pilot packages, our numbers
>                             will be printed, so anyone needing to
>                             reach us once in Muncie will have that
>                             opportunity.
>
>                             Here is the link to the site.
>
>                             http://nsrca.us/index.php/nats2012
>                             Be safe on your travels, and we will see
>                             everyone next weekend in Muncie.
>                             Archie Stafford
>                             2012 Pattern NATS Event Director
>
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