[NSRCA-discussion] 2012 NATS Update

Thu Jul 12 06:21:05 AKDT 2012

Earl,
   The only issue with that would be if someone pays by e-check instead of
a credit card through PayPal.  The e-checks take several days to clear and
the system cannot allow the user to take the exam until the e-check
clears.  If they pay via credit card, that wouldn't be a problem.

Scott

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:08 AM, ehaury <ejhaury at comcast.net> wrote:

> **
> Why not just have a PC available Sunday that folks can use to certify
> online? Maybe someone to help with the process?
>
> Earl
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Archie Stafford <astafford at md.metrocast.net>
> *To:* General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> ;
> jonlowe at aol.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 12, 2012 8:36 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2012 NATS Update
>
> I am not against having a certification meeting, if someone wants to step
> up and give it.  We have a room we can use if needed.
>
> Archie
>
>
>
> *On Thu 07/12/12 9:31 AM , jonlowe at aol.com sent:
> *
>
> **Thanks. Good to know.
>
> However the front page of the Nsrca site also talks about a certification
> meeting after registration on Sunday afternoon.
>
> Jon
> --
> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
> Scott McHarg **wrote:
>>
>> Jon,
>> As far as non-NSRCA members are concerned (and solely for future
>> reference), one does not need to join the NSRCA in order to create a User
>> ID and password for the site.  That doesn't help "right now" but that part
>> is not an issue.
>>
>> Scott
>> On Jul 12, 2012 8:21 AM, <jonlowe at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Arch,
>>> While this doesn't affect me, the letter you sent out with the
>>> registration confirmation says that judging certification is on Sunday on
>>> the schedule of events on the first page. Many Nsrca members are not on
>>> this list. How are they supposed to know there isn't a certification
>>> meeting? Since it is in the official material, looks like a protest in
>>> waiting. Further, there is nothing that says you have to be an Nsrca member
>>> to fly in the Nats. How do they get certified if they can't get a user name
>>> and password for the Nsrca site? IMHO it is way too late to change what the
>>> official mailing stated.
>>>
>>> Jon
>>> --
>>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>
>>> Archie Stafford <astafford at md.metrocast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The 2012 NATS are quickly approaching and I wanted to send out a final
>>>> update.  Derek Koopowitz has created a site that will be the center for
>>>> NATS updates.  On this site you can get all of your information as well as
>>>> see the overview of what is going on.  You will notice a few things that
>>>> are slightly different this year.  We are going to try a few things and see
>>>> what happens.
>>>>
>>>> First, for anyone flying Masters, you will notice the flight orders are
>>>> different than the past.  In previous years, the groupings were established
>>>> and you were stuck flying in front of, or behind the same guy all 6
>>>> rounds.  This year, we have used the grouping as always, but since each day
>>>> is a new contest, we combined the two groups on a site that day.  This
>>>> allows guys in their same group to call for each other, without having that
>>>> person be directly behind them.  It also will allow people to follow and be
>>>> in front of different pilots each day.  Your flight order inside your group
>>>> is essentially unchanged, but there will be someone from the other group
>>>> between pilots in a group for the most part, except when one group is
>>>> smaller than the other.
>>>>
>>>> Second, we are going to try something new for the judging of the
>>>> finals.  This is not on that sheet, as we haven't created the finals
>>>> judges, but after talking with Earl Haury, our plan is to identify ideally
>>>> 25+ judges for a pool.  This will allow us to have judges for both Masters
>>>> and FAI, but never having a judge have to judge the same sequence twice.
>>>> We will use 5 Masters judges, 10 FAI judges, and 2 zero judges for the
>>>> unknowns.  The plan would be that a judge would just 1 round of Masters and
>>>> 1 round of FAI, either an unknown or a known.  Obviously, with only 25
>>>> judges and above parameters, a few judges would end up judging a round of
>>>> Masters, a round of known, and a round of unknown.  This will keep people
>>>> from having to be on the Masters site more than 1 round, and also, help
>>>> with the problem in the past of guys judging rounds of Masters back to
>>>> back.
>>>>
>>>> Third, there will be no judges certifcation this year on site.  With
>>>> the ability to do this online, it eliminates the need to have one on site.
>>>>
>>>> Next, you will notice that we are still short judges on Wednesday.  If
>>>> you are willing to step up and judge a second time, please let me know so
>>>> that we can begin to fill in some of these holes. In previous years, we
>>>> have had to scramble on site to locate more judges, but we are hopeful that
>>>> by putting this information out early that a few people will volunteer to
>>>> fill these slots prior to being on site.
>>>>
>>>> Also, please buy your banquet tickets EARLY.  This year, it will be on
>>>> the AMA site at the McCullough room, which is located adjacent to the
>>>> museum.  It is being catered by Johnny Corrino's and we will have a choice
>>>> of the different types of pasta as well as salad and a dessert.  We will
>>>> have an open CASH bar on site as well.  Banquet tickets will be only
>>>> $15.00.  We will have an open CASH bar on site as well.  At the banquet
>>>> this year, since it is on Wednesday, we will hand out Intermediate, and
>>>> Advanced awards in front of everyone.  FAI, and Masters finalists, will be
>>>> announced, flight orders drawn, and the unknowns will be handed out to the
>>>> FAI pilots.
>>>>
>>>> Finally,
>>>>
>>>> I want to say a huge thank you to everyone who has helped put all this
>>>> together.  I can not thank Scott Smith enough for the job he has done
>>>> developing a new scoring software which made this all possible.  Not only
>>>> does it continuously keep score for Masters and FAI, even with the Matrix,
>>>> but it also is capable of creating flight orders, and the judging matrix.
>>>> This will be an incredibly valuable tool, even on a local level.  Scott did
>>>> all of this purely as a volunteer and I have no idea how many hundreds of
>>>> hours of his own time he devoted to this.  By using his software, as soon
>>>> as a round is complete, even if Masters and FAI, we can export the file as
>>>> a .pdf and Pete Cosky will then load it on to the NATS website on the NSRCA
>>>> page.  Our goal is within 30 minutes to 1 hour of the conclusion of flying
>>>> that the scores will be posted on this site.
>>>>
>>>> OK, now for the disclaimer.  This site is still technically not
>>>> finished.  We could have pilots drop out and such, and may need to fill
>>>> holes.  Please use this site as a reference only, and please verify once
>>>> you are on site that nothing for you has changed.  Also, you will notice,
>>>> as this site is on a public page, that my cell phone and Pete's cell phone
>>>> are X'd out. On your pilot packages, our numbers will be printed, so anyone
>>>> needing to reach us once in Muncie will have that opportunity.
>>>>
>>>> Here is the link to the site.
>>>> http://nsrca.us/index.php/nats2012
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Be safe on your travels, and we will see everyone next weekend in
>>>> Muncie.
>>>>
>>>> Archie Stafford
>>>> 2012 Pattern NATS Event Director
>>>>
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