[NSRCA-discussion] Falcon Carbon Fiber Electric Props

Fri Jul 6 11:08:22 AKDT 2012

Only if RVP is paying you to say that.  Then its illegal.

Keith Hoard
Collierville, TN
khoard at gmail.com

On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Phil S. <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote:

> **
> Nah!  Keith, s
> he's got all her diamonds from that Jubilee they had over ther last month.
>
> Just to get my head straight (not that it really will be, nor that I will
> ever have anything to sell) BUT:
>
> If RVP had said, "Anyone wanting help making weight @ the Nats contact me
> at RVP at myemail.whatever" that would be considered legal?  Assuming all
> other correspondence was outside the NSRCA List, of course...
>
>
> On 7/6/2012 2:22 PM, Keith Hoard wrote:
>
> What about the Queen of England?  The 4th of July was only a couple days
> ago, and she may be feeling a little down too!!
>
> On Friday, July 6, 2012, Ronald Van Putte wrote:
>
>> I apologize to the NSRCA, Tom Simes, and the email list readers for my
>> inappropriate actions.
>>
>> Ron Van Putte
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2012, at 7:58 AM, Chris Moon wrote:
>>
>> > My intention when I posted yesterday was to essentially bring light to
>> what Jerry is saying.  The list rules say no business advertising. Period.
>>  The individual involved runs a hobby store and has for years used the list
>> as a means for free advertising.  If it was done in the spirit of "just
>> helping out the guys" then wouldn't he offer to donate the profits to the
>> NSRCA or some local charity? Are the profits donated to Tom Simes to help
>> defray his personal expenses for providing the email list server for the
>> NSRCA and us? No, the  profits go in his pocket. Case closed.
>> >
>> > This is not about me, or Jerry or Maxx Products, it is about consistent
>> abuse of the list rules with no consequences. A few years ago, Ihncheol
>> innocently made a post about some business items he had on sale and was
>> summarily grilled by many for making a business post on the list.  He
>> apologized profusely and all is good, no harm, no foul.  In the current
>> case, the individual does this free advertising often and with no remorse.
>> Think back to props, carbon spinners, ARF kits he has on sale or will bring
>> to a contest for you etc etc. Free advertising. He even said he "considered
>> the pros and cons before posting" what that tells me is that he again
>> knowingly knew his post was against the rules but did it anyways because
>> there has never been any pushback.
>> >
>> > The fact that I received several supporting emails yesterday off list
>> thanking me for finally bringing this abuse to light tells me that people
>> do notice and that everyone knows this is against the rules.  For the
>> record, I am against any retail advertising via the email list as a tie in
>> with KFactor advertising.  The email list is for discussion and I support
>> the purity of that 100%.
>> >
>> > I ask the offending party to please apologize to the NSRCA, Tom Simes,
>> and the email list readers for his actions.  At that time I will support
>> the KFactor and NSRCA by continuing to advertise monthly and write a check
>> to NSRCA for $250 as a donation toward the cost of the NATS banquet - this
>> is not about money, it about a level playing field and abuse of the list.
>> >
>> > Chris
>> >
>> >
>> > On 7/6/2012 8:18 AM, Budd Engineering wrote:
>> >> F3A Unlimited already advertises in the K-Factor (as do several
>> others, myself included).  Giving away free advertising isn't an incentive,
>> it's retail welfare.  All we want is a level playing field to market our
>> products on, giving away to someone else what I and others already pay for
>> doesn't do that, nor will it do so in the future.
>> >>
>> >> Besides, there's other, better, web-based ways to get new product/ad
>> info to interested members quickly that the NSRCA could provide to
>> advertisers for a profit.  However, it costs $$ to make $$, and running
>> NSRCA like a business is difficult with limited budgets and a
>> near-requirement that most if not all jobs be filled by volunteers (a BIG
>> "Thank You" to them BTW!!).
>> >>
>> >> Jerry
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >> On Jul 6, 2012, at 3:07 AM, "Ron Hansen" <rcpilot at wowway.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> You would monitor it just like we monitor it now (someone complains
>> to the
>> >>> officers they investigate and the officers take the proper actions).
>>  If
>> >>> someone is found abusing the NSRCA list then the officers can
>> temporarily or
>> >>> permanently remove them from the list.
>> >>>
>> >>> Don't we want to incentives advertisers like F3A Unlimited to
>> advertise
>> >>> either on our website, K-Factor and/or mailing list???
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> >>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Budd
>> >>> Engineering
>> >>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 12:06 AM
>> >>> To: General pattern discussion
>> >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon Carbon Fiber Electric Props
>> >>>
>> >>> Not attacking anyone here but do you (or anyone for that matter) want
>> to be
>> >>> the one tasked with monitoring and enforcing that?  What if it was
>> once a
>> >>> month? Or was only allowed for "new product announcements"?  It's
>> really not
>> >>> such a good idea, as an advertiser on the K-Factor I fully understand
>> why
>> >>> Chris took the position he did as he has a lot invested in his
>> business.  I
>> >>> also understand that Ron was really just trying to offer up something
>> to
>> >>> help some people out, not trying to cut into others business sales.
>> >>>
>> >>> I ran into a similar situation a few years back when a competitor
>> (who ran
>> >>> maybe 1 or 2 business sized ads a year in the K-Factor) sent in a
>> letter to
>> >>> one of the District VP's reminiscing about the passing of one of the
>> good ol
>> >>> boys from the 90's pattern scene and then spent the rest of his letter
>> >>> shamelessly promoting his product (the word count ratio was about 10%
>> >>> reminiscing to 90% product promotion).  It was basically a free
>> >>> advertisement thinly disguised as a letter to the Editor.
>> >>>
>> >>> At the time I had run monthly 1/4 page ads in the K-Factor
>> uninterrupted for
>> >>> something 6-7 years in a row.  When I complained to the K-Factor ad
>> manager
>> >>> at the time about the unfairness of what had happened, the response I
>> got
>> >>> was along the lines of "well you can do the same thing, we'll publish
>> it".
>> >>> I wasn't particularly happy with that answer and decided then and
>> there
>> >>> (much like Chris did earlier today), to vote with my checkbook and
>> cut way
>> >>> back on my advertising.  My point is simply this, if you want people
>> to
>> >>> advertise in the K-Factor, then you have to approach it from a
>> professional,
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