Only if RVP is paying you to say that. Then its illegal.<br clear="all"><br>Keith Hoard<br>Collierville, TN<br><a href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com">khoard@gmail.com</a><br><br><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Phil S. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chuenkan@comcast.net" target="_blank">chuenkan@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Nah! Keith, s<br>
he's got all her diamonds from that Jubilee they had over ther last
month.<br>
<br>
Just to get my head straight (not that it really will be, nor that I
will ever have anything to sell) BUT:<br>
<br>
If RVP had said, "Anyone wanting help making weight @ the Nats contact
me at <a href="mailto:RVP@myemail.whatever" target="_blank">RVP@myemail.whatever</a>" that would be considered legal? Assuming
all other correspondence was outside the NSRCA List, of course...<br>
<br>
<br>
On 7/6/2012 2:22 PM, Keith Hoard wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">What about the Queen of England? The 4th of July was only
a couple days ago, and <span></span><span>she may be feeling a little down too!!</span>
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On Friday, July 6, 2012, Ronald Van Putte wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex">I
apologize to the NSRCA, Tom Simes, and the email list readers for my
inappropriate actions.<br>
<br>
Ron Van Putte<br>
<br>
On Jul 6, 2012, at 7:58 AM, Chris Moon wrote:<br>
<br>
> My intention when I posted yesterday was to essentially bring
light to what Jerry is saying. The list rules say no business
advertising. Period. The individual involved runs a hobby store and
has for years used the list as a means for free advertising. If it was
done in the spirit of "just helping out the guys" then wouldn't he
offer to donate the profits to the NSRCA or some local charity? Are the
profits donated to Tom Simes to help defray his personal expenses for
providing the email list server for the NSRCA and us? No, the profits
go in his pocket. Case closed.<br>
><br>
> This is not about me, or Jerry or Maxx Products, it is about
consistent abuse of the list rules with no consequences. A few years
ago, Ihncheol innocently made a post about some business items he had
on sale and was summarily grilled by many for making a business post on
the list. He apologized profusely and all is good, no harm, no foul.
In the current case, the individual does this free advertising often
and with no remorse. Think back to props, carbon spinners, ARF kits he
has on sale or will bring to a contest for you etc etc. Free
advertising. He even said he "considered the pros and cons before
posting" what that tells me is that he again knowingly knew his post
was against the rules but did it anyways because there has never been
any pushback.<br>
><br>
> The fact that I received several supporting emails yesterday off
list thanking me for finally bringing this abuse to light tells me that
people do notice and that everyone knows this is against the rules.
For the record, I am against any retail advertising via the email list
as a tie in with KFactor advertising. The email list is for discussion
and I support the purity of that 100%.<br>
><br>
> I ask the offending party to please apologize to the NSRCA, Tom
Simes, and the email list readers for his actions. At that time I will
support the KFactor and NSRCA by continuing to advertise monthly and
write a check to NSRCA for $250 as a donation toward the cost of the
NATS banquet - this is not about money, it about a level playing field
and abuse of the list.<br>
><br>
> Chris<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 7/6/2012 8:18 AM, Budd Engineering wrote:<br>
>> F3A Unlimited already advertises in the K-Factor (as do
several others, myself included). Giving away free advertising isn't
an incentive, it's retail welfare. All we want is a level playing
field to market our products on, giving away to someone else what I and
others already pay for doesn't do that, nor will it do so in the future.<br>
>><br>
>> Besides, there's other, better, web-based ways to get new
product/ad info to interested members quickly that the NSRCA could
provide to advertisers for a profit. However, it costs $$ to make $$,
and running NSRCA like a business is difficult with limited budgets and
a near-requirement that most if not all jobs be filled by volunteers (a
BIG "Thank You" to them BTW!!).<br>
>><br>
>> Jerry<br>
>><br>
>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>><br>
>> On Jul 6, 2012, at 3:07 AM, "Ron Hansen" <<a>rcpilot@wowway.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> You would monitor it just like we monitor it now (someone
complains to the<br>
>>> officers they investigate and the officers take the proper
actions). If<br>
>>> someone is found abusing the NSRCA list then the officers
can temporarily or<br>
>>> permanently remove them from the list.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Don't we want to incentives advertisers like F3A Unlimited
to advertise<br>
>>> either on our website, K-Factor and/or mailing list???<br>
>>><br>
>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>> From: <a>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
>>> [mailto:<a>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Budd<br>
>>> Engineering<br>
>>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 12:06 AM<br>
>>> To: General pattern discussion<br>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon Carbon Fiber
Electric Props<br>
>>><br>
>>> Not attacking anyone here but do you (or anyone for that
matter) want to be<br>
>>> the one tasked with monitoring and enforcing that? What
if it was once a<br>
>>> month? Or was only allowed for "new product
announcements"? It's really not<br>
>>> such a good idea, as an advertiser on the K-Factor I fully
understand why<br>
>>> Chris took the position he did as he has a lot invested in
his business. I<br>
>>> also understand that Ron was really just trying to offer
up something to<br>
>>> help some people out, not trying to cut into others
business sales.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I ran into a similar situation a few years back when a
competitor (who ran<br>
>>> maybe 1 or 2 business sized ads a year in the K-Factor)
sent in a letter to<br>
>>> one of the District VP's reminiscing about the passing of
one of the good ol<br>
>>> boys from the 90's pattern scene and then spent the rest
of his letter<br>
>>> shamelessly promoting his product (the word count ratio
was about 10%<br>
>>> reminiscing to 90% product promotion). It was basically a
free<br>
>>> advertisement thinly disguised as a letter to the Editor.<br>
>>><br>
>>> At the time I had run monthly 1/4 page ads in the K-Factor
uninterrupted for<br>
>>> something 6-7 years in a row. When I complained to the
K-Factor ad manager<br>
>>> at the time about the unfairness of what had happened, the
response I got<br>
>>> was along the lines of "well you can do the same thing,
we'll publish it".<br>
>>> I wasn't particularly happy with that answer and decided
then and there<br>
>>> (much like Chris did earlier today), to vote with my
checkbook and cut way<br>
>>> back on my advertising. My point is simply this, if you
want people to<br>
>>> advertise in the K-Factor, then you have to approach it
from a professional,<br>
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