[NSRCA-discussion] Falcon Carbon Fiber Electric Props
Phil S.
chuenkan at comcast.net
Fri Jul 6 10:32:24 AKDT 2012
Nah! Keith, s
he's got all her diamonds from that Jubilee they had over ther last month.
Just to get my head straight (not that it really will be, nor that I
will ever have anything to sell) BUT:
If RVP had said, "Anyone wanting help making weight @ the Nats contact
me at RVP at myemail.whatever" that would be considered legal? Assuming
all other correspondence was outside the NSRCA List, of course...
On 7/6/2012 2:22 PM, Keith Hoard wrote:
> What about the Queen of England? The 4th of July was only a couple
> days ago, and she may be feeling a little down too!!
>
> On Friday, July 6, 2012, Ronald Van Putte wrote:
>
> I apologize to the NSRCA, Tom Simes, and the email list readers
> for my inappropriate actions.
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
> On Jul 6, 2012, at 7:58 AM, Chris Moon wrote:
>
> > My intention when I posted yesterday was to essentially bring
> light to what Jerry is saying. The list rules say no business
> advertising. Period. The individual involved runs a hobby store
> and has for years used the list as a means for free advertising.
> If it was done in the spirit of "just helping out the guys" then
> wouldn't he offer to donate the profits to the NSRCA or some local
> charity? Are the profits donated to Tom Simes to help defray his
> personal expenses for providing the email list server for the
> NSRCA and us? No, the profits go in his pocket. Case closed.
> >
> > This is not about me, or Jerry or Maxx Products, it is about
> consistent abuse of the list rules with no consequences. A few
> years ago, Ihncheol innocently made a post about some business
> items he had on sale and was summarily grilled by many for making
> a business post on the list. He apologized profusely and all is
> good, no harm, no foul. In the current case, the individual does
> this free advertising often and with no remorse. Think back to
> props, carbon spinners, ARF kits he has on sale or will bring to a
> contest for you etc etc. Free advertising. He even said he
> "considered the pros and cons before posting" what that tells me
> is that he again knowingly knew his post was against the rules but
> did it anyways because there has never been any pushback.
> >
> > The fact that I received several supporting emails yesterday off
> list thanking me for finally bringing this abuse to light tells me
> that people do notice and that everyone knows this is against the
> rules. For the record, I am against any retail advertising via
> the email list as a tie in with KFactor advertising. The email
> list is for discussion and I support the purity of that 100%.
> >
> > I ask the offending party to please apologize to the NSRCA, Tom
> Simes, and the email list readers for his actions. At that time I
> will support the KFactor and NSRCA by continuing to advertise
> monthly and write a check to NSRCA for $250 as a donation toward
> the cost of the NATS banquet - this is not about money, it about a
> level playing field and abuse of the list.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > On 7/6/2012 8:18 AM, Budd Engineering wrote:
> >> F3A Unlimited already advertises in the K-Factor (as do several
> others, myself included). Giving away free advertising isn't an
> incentive, it's retail welfare. All we want is a level playing
> field to market our products on, giving away to someone else what
> I and others already pay for doesn't do that, nor will it do so in
> the future.
> >>
> >> Besides, there's other, better, web-based ways to get new
> product/ad info to interested members quickly that the NSRCA could
> provide to advertisers for a profit. However, it costs $$ to make
> $$, and running NSRCA like a business is difficult with limited
> budgets and a near-requirement that most if not all jobs be filled
> by volunteers (a BIG "Thank You" to them BTW!!).
> >>
> >> Jerry
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Jul 6, 2012, at 3:07 AM, "Ron Hansen" <rcpilot at wowway.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> You would monitor it just like we monitor it now (someone
> complains to the
> >>> officers they investigate and the officers take the proper
> actions). If
> >>> someone is found abusing the NSRCA list then the officers can
> temporarily or
> >>> permanently remove them from the list.
> >>>
> >>> Don't we want to incentives advertisers like F3A Unlimited to
> advertise
> >>> either on our website, K-Factor and/or mailing list???
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <javascript:;>
> >>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Budd
> >>> Engineering
> >>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 12:06 AM
> >>> To: General pattern discussion
> >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon Carbon Fiber Electric Props
> >>>
> >>> Not attacking anyone here but do you (or anyone for that
> matter) want to be
> >>> the one tasked with monitoring and enforcing that? What if it
> was once a
> >>> month? Or was only allowed for "new product announcements"?
> It's really not
> >>> such a good idea, as an advertiser on the K-Factor I fully
> understand why
> >>> Chris took the position he did as he has a lot invested in his
> business. I
> >>> also understand that Ron was really just trying to offer up
> something to
> >>> help some people out, not trying to cut into others business
> sales.
> >>>
> >>> I ran into a similar situation a few years back when a
> competitor (who ran
> >>> maybe 1 or 2 business sized ads a year in the K-Factor) sent
> in a letter to
> >>> one of the District VP's reminiscing about the passing of one
> of the good ol
> >>> boys from the 90's pattern scene and then spent the rest of
> his letter
> >>> shamelessly promoting his product (the word count ratio was
> about 10%
> >>> reminiscing to 90% product promotion). It was basically a free
> >>> advertisement thinly disguised as a letter to the Editor.
> >>>
> >>> At the time I had run monthly 1/4 page ads in the K-Factor
> uninterrupted for
> >>> something 6-7 years in a row. When I complained to the
> K-Factor ad manager
> >>> at the time about the unfairness of what had happened, the
> response I got
> >>> was along the lines of "well you can do the same thing, we'll
> publish it".
> >>> I wasn't particularly happy with that answer and decided then
> and there
> >>> (much like Chris did earlier today), to vote with my checkbook
> and cut way
> >>> back on my advertising. My point is simply this, if you want
> people to
> >>> advertise in the K-Factor, then you have to approach it from a
> professional,
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