[NSRCA-discussion] Falcon Carbon Fiber Electric Props

Phil S. chuenkan at comcast.net
Fri Jul 6 10:32:24 AKDT 2012


Nah!  Keith, s
he's got all her diamonds from that Jubilee they had over ther last month.

Just to get my head straight (not that it really will be, nor that I 
will ever have anything to sell) BUT:

If RVP had said, "Anyone wanting help making weight @ the Nats contact 
me at RVP at myemail.whatever" that would be considered legal?  Assuming 
all other correspondence was outside the NSRCA List, of course...


On 7/6/2012 2:22 PM, Keith Hoard wrote:
> What about the Queen of England?  The 4th of July was only a couple 
> days ago, and she may be feeling a little down too!!
>
> On Friday, July 6, 2012, Ronald Van Putte wrote:
>
>     I apologize to the NSRCA, Tom Simes, and the email list readers
>     for my inappropriate actions.
>
>     Ron Van Putte
>
>     On Jul 6, 2012, at 7:58 AM, Chris Moon wrote:
>
>     > My intention when I posted yesterday was to essentially bring
>     light to what Jerry is saying.  The list rules say no business
>     advertising. Period.  The individual involved runs a hobby store
>     and has for years used the list as a means for free advertising.
>      If it was done in the spirit of "just helping out the guys" then
>     wouldn't he offer to donate the profits to the NSRCA or some local
>     charity? Are the profits donated to Tom Simes to help defray his
>     personal expenses for providing the email list server for the
>     NSRCA and us? No, the  profits go in his pocket. Case closed.
>     >
>     > This is not about me, or Jerry or Maxx Products, it is about
>     consistent abuse of the list rules with no consequences. A few
>     years ago, Ihncheol innocently made a post about some business
>     items he had on sale and was summarily grilled by many for making
>     a business post on the list.  He apologized profusely and all is
>     good, no harm, no foul.  In the current case, the individual does
>     this free advertising often and with no remorse. Think back to
>     props, carbon spinners, ARF kits he has on sale or will bring to a
>     contest for you etc etc. Free advertising. He even said he
>     "considered the pros and cons before posting" what that tells me
>     is that he again knowingly knew his post was against the rules but
>     did it anyways because there has never been any pushback.
>     >
>     > The fact that I received several supporting emails yesterday off
>     list thanking me for finally bringing this abuse to light tells me
>     that people do notice and that everyone knows this is against the
>     rules.  For the record, I am against any retail advertising via
>     the email list as a tie in with KFactor advertising.  The email
>     list is for discussion and I support the purity of that 100%.
>     >
>     > I ask the offending party to please apologize to the NSRCA, Tom
>     Simes, and the email list readers for his actions.  At that time I
>     will support the KFactor and NSRCA by continuing to advertise
>     monthly and write a check to NSRCA for $250 as a donation toward
>     the cost of the NATS banquet - this is not about money, it about a
>     level playing field and abuse of the list.
>     >
>     > Chris
>     >
>     >
>     > On 7/6/2012 8:18 AM, Budd Engineering wrote:
>     >> F3A Unlimited already advertises in the K-Factor (as do several
>     others, myself included).  Giving away free advertising isn't an
>     incentive, it's retail welfare.  All we want is a level playing
>     field to market our products on, giving away to someone else what
>     I and others already pay for doesn't do that, nor will it do so in
>     the future.
>     >>
>     >> Besides, there's other, better, web-based ways to get new
>     product/ad info to interested members quickly that the NSRCA could
>     provide to advertisers for a profit.  However, it costs $$ to make
>     $$, and running NSRCA like a business is difficult with limited
>     budgets and a near-requirement that most if not all jobs be filled
>     by volunteers (a BIG "Thank You" to them BTW!!).
>     >>
>     >> Jerry
>     >>
>     >> Sent from my iPhone
>     >>
>     >> On Jul 6, 2012, at 3:07 AM, "Ron Hansen" <rcpilot at wowway.com
>     <javascript:;>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >>> You would monitor it just like we monitor it now (someone
>     complains to the
>     >>> officers they investigate and the officers take the proper
>     actions).  If
>     >>> someone is found abusing the NSRCA list then the officers can
>     temporarily or
>     >>> permanently remove them from the list.
>     >>>
>     >>> Don't we want to incentives advertisers like F3A Unlimited to
>     advertise
>     >>> either on our website, K-Factor and/or mailing list???
>     >>>
>     >>> -----Original Message-----
>     >>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <javascript:;>
>     >>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>     <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Budd
>     >>> Engineering
>     >>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 12:06 AM
>     >>> To: General pattern discussion
>     >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon Carbon Fiber Electric Props
>     >>>
>     >>> Not attacking anyone here but do you (or anyone for that
>     matter) want to be
>     >>> the one tasked with monitoring and enforcing that?  What if it
>     was once a
>     >>> month? Or was only allowed for "new product announcements"?
>      It's really not
>     >>> such a good idea, as an advertiser on the K-Factor I fully
>     understand why
>     >>> Chris took the position he did as he has a lot invested in his
>     business.  I
>     >>> also understand that Ron was really just trying to offer up
>     something to
>     >>> help some people out, not trying to cut into others business
>     sales.
>     >>>
>     >>> I ran into a similar situation a few years back when a
>     competitor (who ran
>     >>> maybe 1 or 2 business sized ads a year in the K-Factor) sent
>     in a letter to
>     >>> one of the District VP's reminiscing about the passing of one
>     of the good ol
>     >>> boys from the 90's pattern scene and then spent the rest of
>     his letter
>     >>> shamelessly promoting his product (the word count ratio was
>     about 10%
>     >>> reminiscing to 90% product promotion).  It was basically a free
>     >>> advertisement thinly disguised as a letter to the Editor.
>     >>>
>     >>> At the time I had run monthly 1/4 page ads in the K-Factor
>     uninterrupted for
>     >>> something 6-7 years in a row.  When I complained to the
>     K-Factor ad manager
>     >>> at the time about the unfairness of what had happened, the
>     response I got
>     >>> was along the lines of "well you can do the same thing, we'll
>     publish it".
>     >>> I wasn't particularly happy with that answer and decided then
>     and there
>     >>> (much like Chris did earlier today), to vote with my checkbook
>     and cut way
>     >>> back on my advertising.  My point is simply this, if you want
>     people to
>     >>> advertise in the K-Factor, then you have to approach it from a
>     professional,
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>
> Keith Hoard
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